Would you call this palming violation?

[BktBallRef]

Under 30 seconds remaining in the game, Team A down 1.

A1 has the ball above the top of the key, isolated with B1. He's dribbling the ball back and forth from one hand to another. He dribbles from his right to his left, hesitates on his toes, left hand comes under the ball and he blows by B1.

You've previously called one palming violation during the game.

The poll is very simple. I don't need an analysis of my description. By rule, a palming violation occurred. Based on the facts given, would you whistle the violation?

[just another ref]

I thought it was a trick question.


YES Why would anyone not call it?

[refiator]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

left hand comes under the ball and he blows by B1.

That's the key...He gained an advantage by being able to beat the defender.
Illegal.
How about the player who obviously "palms" the ball when no defender is present, and makes no move towards the basket? I've seen this called many times......IMO, this is not the intent of the rule...let it go.

[Raymond]

I've called a palming violation in the last minute of a closely contested game. Happened right if front of the offender's coach. He said nothing of it and my partner did not ask about it after the game.

If it's obvious and created a distinct advantage it's no different than calling a travel, IMO.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've called a palming violation in the last minute of a closely contested game. Happened right if front of the offender's coach.

If it's obvious and created a distinct advantage it's no different than calling a travel, IMO.

That's what I thought too...when I made the call.

[BillyMac]

Is the implication that the rules change during the last thirty seconds of the game?

[Sco53]

Does it matter if I am at T, C, or L ?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refiator

That's the key...He gained an advantage by being able to beat the defender.
Illegal.
How about the player who obviously "palms" the ball when no defender is present, and makes no move towards the basket? I've seen this called many times......IMO, this is not the intent of the rule...let it go.

My threshold goes up for calling this with no defender present, but I will and have called it. Just like three seconds, ten seconds, etc.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My threshold goes up for calling this with no defender present, but I will and have called it. Just like three seconds, ten seconds, etc.

Snaqwells: I can't quite figure out whether to agree with you, or disagree with you, on your last statement.

Are you saying your "threshold goes up for calling" ten seconds in the backcourt "with no defender present"?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My threshold goes up for calling this with no defender present, but I will and have called it.

Likewise, if nothing else, to alert a dribbler that he's picked up a very bad habit.

[jump stop]

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

The last sentence in his post wasn't convincing enough?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

The question was not whether a violation occurred. It did. That was a given in the OP. The question is whether you would make the call or overlook what some consider a minor thing at this crucial stage of the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The question is whether you would make the call or overlook what some consider a minor thing at this crucial stage of the game.

I wonder what other "minor things" we should overlook at a crucial stage of a game? Let's have a poll.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wonder what other "minor things" we should overlook at a crucial stage of a game? Let's have a poll.

Only the same minor things you've been ignoring all game.