Would you call this palming violation?

[jump stop]

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

The last sentence in his post wasn't convincing enough?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

The question was not whether a violation occurred. It did. That was a given in the OP. The question is whether you would make the call or overlook what some consider a minor thing at this crucial stage of the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The question is whether you would make the call or overlook what some consider a minor thing at this crucial stage of the game.

I wonder what other "minor things" we should overlook at a crucial stage of a game? Let's have a poll.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wonder what other "minor things" we should overlook at a crucial stage of a game? Let's have a poll.

Only the same minor things you've been ignoring all game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I vote no from the information you gave. Just because he put his hand under the ball and rose up on his toes is not a palm or carry, Was his hand touching ball?? I see alot of palming of ball calls just because player does hesitation move and moves hand to side of ball,

First of all, I'm glad to see you jumping into discussion like this.

Yes, assume from the description that his hand was touching the ball when his hand went under the ball.

Second, when the player puts his hand on the side of the ball, he's coming close to a violation. It's possible for the ball to come to rest in his hand (especially a player with large hands) even though it's not "under" the ball. Either is a palming violation.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

First of all, I'm glad to see you jumping into discussion like this.

Yes, assume from the description that his hand was touching the ball when his hand went under the ball.

Second, when the player puts his hand on the side of the ball, he's coming close to a violation. It's possible for the ball to come to rest in his hand (especially a player with large hands) even though it's not "under" the ball. Either is a palming violation.

In the description he should of said "he clearly palmed the ball by holding ball underneath" and then I would agree, not that "he rose up on toes....." . My point is that you can't penalize players that have developed good skills and moves that come "close" to violating rules. I see palming called alot just because a player hesitates , rises on toes , but does not lift ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jump stop

In the description he should of said "he clearly palmed the ball by holding ball underneath" and then I would agree, not that "he rose up on toes....." . My point is that you can't penalize players that have developed good skills and moves that come "close" to violating rules. I see palming called alot just because a player hesitates , rises on toes , but does not lift ball.

I can assure you the OP wasn't asking whether it was a palming violation; he knows one when he sees it. The phrase that has you stuck was just helping to describe the play; he also knows the toes have nothing to do with a palming call.

You've previously established that the refs you see are making calls with which you disagree.

1. You might just have to accept the fact that you misunderstand the rule. I'm basing this on the portions of my post that you highlighted.

2. I would suggest that you contact the person assigning middle school games in your area and find out how to get started as an official.

[Tio]

Call the obvious violation... time on the clock or game situation should not be a consideration.

Hopefully the crew has been consistent in adjudicating palming the entire game and so the call fits with what you have called previously.

If the play was 50/50 then you probably want to play on.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1. You might just have to accept the fact that you misunderstand the rule. I'm basing this on the portions of my post that you highlighted.

2. I would suggest that you contact the person assigning middle school games in your area and find out how to get started as an official.

Second # 2. Also,

3. Accept that the officials working your daughter's level are usually not the most experienced there are.