Scoring Error at End of Game (help with situation)

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Huntin' Ref

Trail official (his primary) points towards the ground indicating a 2-pt attempt and no other official signals that it was a 3-pt attempt.

I'm curious about your mechanic. Is there anything else you do to distinguish a 2 from a 3, before and/or after the shot?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm curious about your mechanic. Is there anything else you do to distinguish a 2 from a 3, before and/or after the shot?

I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby"

[JugglingReferee]

If there's a close play, I always show 2 if a foot is barely on the line. It can only do good, so why not?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby"

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

Yup. They see every other call we make - travelling, blocking, etc. No need to 'hide' this one as well.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

Last second shot, 1-3-point game, shooter anywhere near 3-point line. I'm not going to play hide-n-seek with my mechanics. I want both coaches completely aware. Also want the game film to pick it up. That way IF the improper score gets recorded, as it was in this case, there is no doubt or discussion needed as to what we (the officials) ruled.

But like you said, to each his own.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby"

I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

Bingo.

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm curious about your mechanic. Is there anything else you do to distinguish a 2 from a 3, before and/or after the shot?

Well, I can honestly say I can't remember ever signalling "2" before, but in lieu of the circumstances, my instincts took over and felt compelled to make sure people in the gym knew I was looking at the play/foot because the foot was barely on the line. I know it isn't an approved signal, however I was criticised by an observer last year for not doing that in a similar situation so "when in Rome" came to play.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Huntin' Ref

Well, I can honestly say I can't remember ever signalling "2" before, but in lieu of the circumstances, my instincts took over and felt compelled to make sure people in the gym knew I was looking at the play/foot because the foot was barely on the line. I know it isn't an approved signal, however I was criticised by an observer last year for not doing that in a similar situation so "when in Rome" came to play.

I use the unapproved mechanic as well...yes, technically the lack of a three-point signal should tell the table it's a two-point shot, but it's a lot easier to just do the mechanic, and avoid the table being confused and possibly awarding what they think the shot was (I've seen it happen), and stop the game. Plus it shows everyone you were on top of the play.

*I also fully expect to see Billy tell us about how this is the mechanic in his little corner of Connecticut*

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I use the unapproved mechanic as well...yes, technically the lack of a three-point signal should tell the table it's a two-point shot, but it's a lot easier to just do the mechanic, and avoid the table being confused and possibly awarding what they think the shot was (I've seen it happen), and stop the game. Plus it shows everyone you were on top of the play.

Same up here in Alaska, just an accepted practice. (Underlined part is my favorite reason to use it.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I also fully expect to see Billy tell us about how this is the mechanic in his little corner of Connecticut

Even better, an image.



And for once, it's not just in my little corner, it's for the whole state.

[bob jenkins]

I'm poinitng at the ground when the shot is taken (shows up on film that we didn't just make s*** up after the fact) AND showing two points to the table as we turn to go the other way.

[McMac]

I also point to the ground with two fingers and then if made show it to the table and say "two" loud enough for the table to hear. Authorized mechanic? Probably not, but it gets the point across that it is definitely a 2.