Spin Move..Continuation?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Gathered implies something that happens after the player has been dribbling. Not all shots are initiated off a dribble. Holding the ball covers much more than gathering. In other words, gathering is a subset of what it means to be holding the ball. But it is not everything.

Good point, but I thought we were discussing plays to the basket. There's usually no doubt that FTs are coming when a shooter is fouled on a catch & shoot situation.

My point to the OP was that the players arms moving up has nothing to do with the habitual shooting motion. I know a TON of guys who believe this is true

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by tref

Good point, but I thought we were discussing plays to the basket. There's usually no doubt that FTs are coming when a shooter is fouled on a catch & shoot situation.

My point to the OP was that the players arms moving up has nothing to do with the habitual shooting motion. I know a TON of guys who believe this is true

Fair enough. I'm not sure I agree that arms moving upward is never an indication of the shooting motion. You have to make a subjective decision about the intent of the player and arms moving upward (while holding the ball) could definitely help make the decision.

[tref]

Dang message boards...
I keep forgetting one has to be very clear when communicating in cyberspace.

The criteria for continuation has nothing to do with whether the shooters arms go up or not after he/she has been fouled.

For me, as long as the player doesnt pass, violate or request a timeout after being fouled, on plays to the basket, I consider the player to be in a shooting motion.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

For me, as long as the player doesnt pass, violate or request a timeout after being fouled, on plays to the basket, I consider the player to be in a shooting motion.

Even if the player does any of those items, s/he might have been in the act of shooting.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Dang message boards...
I keep forgetting one has to be very clear when communicating in cyberspace.

The criteria for continuation has nothing to do with whether the shooters arms go up or not after he/she has been fouled.

For me, as long as the player doesnt pass, violate or request a timeout after being fouled, on plays to the basket, I consider the player to be in a shooting motion.

This is true, but there has to still be some sign they are shooting to give them shots. I agree that you would not just call this on the basis of the arms, but I would need something to indicate they are shooting. Closeness to the basketball might help and if they do not try to pass or dribble would be another. I would need something in their actions to help me judge they are shooting or they are not going to get shots. The vast majority of times this is not even hard to judge, but they need to do something to make this judgment easier for you as an official.

Peace