2 Different Rules Questions

[MOofficial]

Was working a Men's JUCO game last night and these two scenarios came up:

1st Play

WHITE is shooting the 1st shot of a 1 and 1. Shot goes up, we have a foul on a push on WHITE for shoving a BLUE team member completely under the goal and the BLUE team is also in the bonus. Shot goes in. We handled it like this:

Counted the basket, reported the foul on WHITE. WHITE then shot the 2nd free throw of the bonus with the lane cleared. We then went to the other end where BLUE would attempt their 1 and 1 with everyone on the lane line and it will be a live ball on the first shot. Did we do this correctly? We were thinking that's the only way we could of done it, but I'm sure there is something we were missing.

2nd Play

BLUE has the ball for a throw in after a made basket. They throw the ball in and the official begins his 10 second count. On a pass, the ball is deflected by the WHITE team and its now rolling on the floor but WHITE has not gained team control so the official continues his 10 second count as a tipped pass does not negate team control. During the attempt to get the ball, a WHITE team member is on the floor going after the ball and a BLUE team member now goes through the kid on the floor to get the ball. We doubled up on the whistle as it was an easy foul. I was thinking that BLUE still had team control since the official still has a 10 count, other 2 partners were thinking that there is no team control so we shot the free throws because white was in the bonus.

Let me know how you would rule on this. I'm saying, by rule, since the 10 second count was still going that there is still team control, and therefor the foul on BLUE should of been a team control foul and WHITE should of been awarded the ball at the nearest spot on the floor.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! If you have any rule references or case book plays in the NCAA books that would be great

[bob jenkins]

Poor grammar aside, you were correct in both cases.

I will say that you reasoning in the second is backwards, though. It's not "since there was a 10-second count, there is still team control," it's "since there was team control, there was still the 10-second count."

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Poor grammar aside, you were correct in both cases.

I will say that you reasoning in the second is backwards, though . . .

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Poor typing aside, ...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Poor grammar aside, you were correct in both cases.

I will say that you reasoning in the second is backwards, though. It's not "since there was a 10-second count, there is still team control," it's "since there was team control, there was still the 10-second count."

Originally Posted by Freddy

Poor grammar (run on sentences, incorrect words, and probably a few typos too) vs. what is probably just a typo (a single missing letter) are hardly the same thing.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Poor grammar (run on sentences, incorrect words, and probably a few typos too) vs. what is probably just a typo (a single missing letter) are hardly the same thing.

Either way, who cares? What's the point of pointing out someone's poor grammar on a basketball board?

If you didn't understand what the poster was trying to say, I can understand that, but pointing out someone's poor grammar just to point it out is pretty anal and pretentious, if you ask me.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fiasco

If you didn't understand what the poster was trying to say, I can understand that, but pointing out someone's poor grammar just to point it out is pretty anal and pretentious, if you ask me.

While Bob may not be known for his interpersonal skills here, I don't think he was out of line whatsoever on this thread.

Somewhere along the way, it became "rude" to correct people. The problem with that is, the whole point of correcting people is to make a change for the better. If you stay silent, you can't make a change, and the error just plain continues. Meanwhile, writing skills erode in the online world (a world that's not going away).

Bob was trying to be helpful, simulataneously in two different areas. Let's leave it at that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Either way, who cares? What's the point of pointing out someone's poor grammar on a basketball board?

If you didn't understand what the poster was trying to say, I can understand that, but pointing out someone's poor grammar just to point it out is pretty anal and pretentious, if you ask me.

If that poor grammar means someone has to read it 2-3 times just to figure out what they were trying to say, it matters. Compose questions clearly and you'll get a lot better answers. The same skills apply on the court....clear communications are valuable.