flagrant 2 contact technical foul during live ball?

[Buckle]

(NCAAW rules) Airborne shooter A1 excessively swings elbow into the face of B1. Is this a flagrant 2 contact personal foul or a flagrant 2 contact technical foul that occurred during a live ball? Seems like it should be "personal" but Rule 4.29.3 cites an exception:

Flagrant 2 technical foul. A flagrant 2 technical foul can be either contact or non-contact.

1. A flagrant 2 contact technical foul occurs when the ball is dead and the contact is not only excessive, but also severe or extreme.

a. An exception may be a foul committed by an airborne shooter.

[APG]

Remember, the airborne exception allows us in NF and NCAA-W to call a player control foul on an airborne shooter even if the ball is dead by rule...a dunk, and while the player is coming down to the ground, and the airborne shooter commits a foul. Technically, the ball is dead after the made basket, and if we didn't have this exception, then the airborne shooter could foul/or be fouled and the only route we could go is intentional/flagrant technical (FF1/FF2).

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Buckle

(NCAAW rules) Airborne shooter A1 excessively swings elbow into the face of B1. Is this a flagrant 2 contact personal foul or a flagrant 2 contact technical foul that occurred during a live ball? Seems like it should be "personal" but Rule 4.29.3 cites an exception:

Flagrant 2 technical foul. A flagrant 2 technical foul can be either contact or non-contact.

1. A flagrant 2 contact technical foul occurs when the ball is dead and the contact is not only excessive, but also severe or extreme.

a. An exception may be a foul committed by an airborne shooter.

There is nothing changed about the rule, other than the name. This is FF2 personal and she is ejected. You're overthinking this.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CLH

There is nothing changed about the rule, other than the name. This is FF2 personal and she is ejected. You're overthinking this.

While I agree, I think the definition of F2P says "while the ball is live." Period. No exceptions listed.

And, it's unclear exactly what the exception in F2T is referring to.

I got both questions on my test. Still trying to decide how to answer them.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I agree, I think the definition of F2P says "while the ball is live." Period. No exceptions listed.

And, it's unclear exactly what the exception in F2T is referring to.

I got both questions on my test. Still trying to decide how to answer them.

I believe the exception is explained in A.R. 101 in the case book:

(Women) Is it possible for airborne shooter A1 to commit a foul that would not be a player-control foul?
RULING: Yes. The airborne shooter could be charged with a personal foul, a flagrant 1 personal foul, a flagrant 2 personal foul or with a flagrant 2 noncontact technical foul. None of these fouls can be a player-control foul. When an airborne shooter commits a foul that is not a player-control foul, the infraction shall be penalized as dictated by the type of foul.
(Rule 4-29.2.a.1.b)

[BayStateRef]

The AR says there are four possible fouls by an airborne shooter that are not player control:

• personal foul
• flagrant 1 personal foul
• flagrant 2 personal foul
• flagrant 2 non-contact technical foul

The test question asks if a flagrant 2 contact technical foul can occur during a live ball.


That is not one of the four options listed in the AR. I am still trying to figure out why the exception exists. If the player dunks the ball (now the ball is dead) and then commits a flagrant 2 foul (kicks someone in the head; excessive elbow to the face....whatever you can envision to be "not only excessive, but also severe or extreme"), why do we need the exception for an airborne shooter? Flagrant contact during a dead ball is a technical foul. The rule just told us that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The AR says there are four possible fouls by an airborne shooter that are not player control:

• personal foul
• flagrant 1 personal foul
• flagrant 2 personal foul
• flagrant 2 non-contact technical foul

The test question asks if a flagrant 2 contact technical foul can occur during a live ball.


That is not one of the four options listed in the AR. I am still trying to figure out why the exception exists. If the player dunks the ball (now the ball is dead) and then commits a flagrant 2 foul (kicks someone in the head; excessive elbow to the face....whatever you can envision to be "not only excessive, but also severe or extreme"), why do we need the exception for an airborne shooter? Flagrant contact during a dead ball is a technical foul. The rule just told us that.

Contact fouls by an airborne shooter are personal fouls due to the exception.