Best way to report numbers

[stiffler3492]

I read somewhere that we should report numbers by saying thirty-two instead of three-two (while showing the numbers), in order to eliminate confusion for the scorekeeper.

To me, that presents an equal amount of potential for confusion. Plus it sounds awkward saying "thurr" while displaying a 1, and "teen" while displaying a three.

Tonight I tried this in my junior high games..."White Thirty Two. Three-two". Only displayed the numbers when I said the "Three-Two".

Check your local listings kind of thing or is there something that works best for you?

[APG]

Full number all the way

[BktBallRef]

Thirty two.

A scorer doesn't look for 3-2 or 1-3 in the book. He looks for 32 or 13.

[Nevadaref]

It's on page three of this season's NFHS Preseason Guide.

The NFHS instruction is to say "twenty-four," not "two-four".

[JRutledge]

Do what the people you work for and respect do.

There is no right way or wrong way really either way. I do think when you use syllable words; the table might hear the wrong thing. I have seen people say "Thirteen" and have scorers might hear the wrong number as an example and think they heard Fourteen or Fifteen.

I say each number individually and never had a problem. I have never had a supervisor care at any level. I have never been docked at a camp for saying each number. Also the CCA Manual (Men's) does not specify what to say or how to do this. The main thing is to have a strong voice and speak clearly and give the number slowly. Many officials rush through the signals which I feel is almost the most important thing we do because the number we report has many ramifications.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Check your local listings kind of thing or is there something that works best for you?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It's on page three of this season's NFHS Preseason Guide. The NFHS instruction is to say "twenty-four," not "two-four".

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do what the people you work for and respect do. There is no right way or wrong way really either way.

Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, where we use IAABO, not NFHS mechanics, we report, "Three. Two". We've been doing it that way for over thirty years. That doesn't make it right, or wrong, it's just the way we do it. "When in Rome ...".

JRutledge: I certainly agree 100% with your first statement, however I do have a slight problem with your second statement. According to Nevadaref's post, those states, and associations, that adhere to NFHS mechanics, and I realize that there are states, and associations, that don't, it appears that there is a "right way", according to the NFHS.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The main thing is to have a strong voice and speak clearly and give the number slowly.

There it is. It's really more about clarity than format.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I read somewhere that we should report numbers by saying thirty-two instead of three-two (while showing the numbers), in order to eliminate confusion for the scorekeeper.

To me, that presents an equal amount of potential for confusion. Plus it sounds awkward saying "thurr" while displaying a 1, and "teen" while displaying a three.

Tonight I tried this in my junior high games..."White Thirty Two. Three-two". Only displayed the numbers when I said the "Three-Two".

Check your local listings kind of thing or is there something that works best for you?

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Thirty two.

A scorer doesn't look for 3-2 or 1-3 in the book. He looks for 32 or 13.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It's on page three of this season's NFHS Preseason Guide.

The NFHS instruction is to say "twenty-four," not "two-four".

In the Introduction of the NFHS 2011-2012 Basketball Officials Manual, under heading 0.2 2011-13 Mechanics Points of Emphasas, it is stated in the third paragraph:

When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts.

I am so used to hearing the full number being said when reported, unless of course the scorer is giving a deer in the headlights look.

The other thing mentioned is that when reporting a two-digit number, not to spin your hand around to report the second number.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Tonight I tried this in my junior high games..."White Thirty Two. Three-two". Only displayed the numbers when I said the "Three-Two".

And then if you say "Thirty. Three Zero" they hear "Thirty Three."

So, no matter what, there's always room for confusion.

IF there's a PA, you can listen after reporting and see if that's the same number. Since the PA is NOT the scorer, it's not perfect of course, but it's some validation that the correct number was received.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I read somewhere that we should report numbers by saying thirty-two instead of three-two (while showing the numbers), in order to eliminate confusion for the scorekeeper.

Could it have been this year's NFHS Preseason Guide, page 3?

"When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue, two-four."

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Also, what about 00?

From the same Guide: "When giving a number combination like 22, give a distinct pause between the numbers so the scorer doesn't get confused."

Nuf Sed for the NFHS guidance.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Could it have been this year's NFHS Preseason Guide, page 3? "When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue, two-four."

Well that should certainly end this discussion for all those who follow NFHS mechanics. It should also, at least for those following NFHS mechanics, end the long history of debates we've had on this Forum over the years on this specific topic. May it rest in peace.

Now if we could only get the same closure for the few of us that follow IAABO mechanics? The manual says, "number", not numeral, yet the international interpreter allows officials that he observes to use numerals.

Man, I really hate it that we switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics a few years ago.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Well that should certainly end this discussion for all those who follow NFHS mechanics. It should also, at least for those following NFHS mechanics, end the long history of debates we've had on this Forum over the years on this specific topic. May it rest in peace.

Now if we could only get the same closure for the few of us that follow IAABO mechanics? The manual says, "number", not numeral, yet the international interpreter allows officials that he observes to use numerals.

Man, I really hate it that we switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics a few years ago.

Check out some of the Maine IAABO board websites. There is often commentary directly from Peter Webb on a lot of these matters. Central Maine & Eastern Maine are most likely to have this info out of the 5 boards.