What if a defender never established LGP and attempts to guard a dribbler

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have a block (or nothing).

B1 was not legally in the spot that is now in A1's path. B1 is moving but was never facing A1....thus never had LGP and right to be moving at the time of contact even if it was lateral relative to A1's path.

Agreed. The only way I'd have a charge is if A1 contacted B1 with an outstretched limb.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Agreed. The only way I'd have a charge is if A1 contacted B1 with an outstretched limb.

Some of the smarter players use their bodies (dip the shoulder or throw the hip) to displace the defender too.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Agreed. The only way I'd have a charge is if A1 contacted B1 with an outstretched limb.

Really? What if A1 lowers his/her shoulder and absolutely blasts into B1? No PC foul then?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

What if A1 lowers his/her shoulder and absolutely blasts into B1?

The upper limb includes the shoulder. I did say "outstretched," though. Good catch. Yes, PC.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Really? What if A1 lowers his/her shoulder and absolutely blasts into B1? No PC foul then?

Maybe, Maybe not (most likely in your specific scenario).

I don't call a PC just because A1's shoulder is down and it contacts B1. B1 still has to be in the path legally...and B1 wasn't in this case.

That said, if A1 just blasts B1 for the sake of blasting B1 as your scenario suggests, PC.

There is nothing I've seen in the rules requiring A1 to keep any specific body orientation as they move around the court. The rules requiring the arms, hips, legs, etc. to remain in the frame of the torso all have to do with guarding and screening....and A1 isn't doing either (usually).