Intentional or Not

[Camron Rust]

I'm OK with the intentional.

If he had made the same swipe and not held on to drag him down, probably not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm OK with the intentional. If he had made the same swipe and not held on to drag him down, probably not.

Agree. From my side of the court, it looked like the defender "hooked" the ball handler across the upper arm, and dragged him down.

AllPurposeGamer: Can you get us the video from the hot single Mom with the camera on the other side of the court?

[JRutledge]

I could be OK with either call. Without seeing a better angle I cannot say the IF was bad and I can see why nothing more was called but a common foul.

Peace

[Brick43]

Slo mo is going to ruin my career. Full speed I have no intentional. It looks like he made a play at the ball and attempted to hold up the player. Then slo-mo it looks worse and I change my mind. I wonder what other decisions in my life I would reconsider if I slowed down the tape? Where's that wedding footage.....?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Brick43

Slo mo is going to ruin my career. Full speed I have no intentional. It looks like he made a play at the ball and attempted to hold up the player. Then slo-mo it looks worse and I change my mind. I wonder what other decisions in my life I would reconsider if I slowed down the tape? Where's that wedding footage.....?

Slow motion tends to have that effect...making incidents appear worse than they really were.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Slow motion tends to have that effect...making incidents appear worse than they really were.

Agree. In football we say that slo-mo makes everything look like a foul.

I also agree that this is an intentional foul. Easy call, even in real time.

[bowlingref]

If you let that go, then the next one will only be worse. The IF gets the players attention.

[twocentsworth]

per the criteria the John Adams provided at the NCAA-M level....yep - intentional.

[ontheway]

I was taught by My HS V coach that when he says "dont let them score" that means if you have to torch his house, you stop the basket. In his own words " if your gonna foul MAKE SURE HE Misses HIS SHOT" I personally have done the exact play in question. My point is this; you guys are all X'ing him for mugging( which ive done) but you make it sound like him " dragging him down" was an act of malice or that he was violent. watch the video he helps him up and smacks his rear. Theres no "Chesting up" and NOt even an inkling of a potential fight. him holding onto the guy was prolly an act of kindness

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brick43

Slo mo is going to ruin my career. Full speed I have no intentional. It looks like he made a play at the ball and attempted to hold up the player. Then slo-mo it looks worse and I change my mind. I wonder what other decisions in my life I would reconsider if I slowed down the tape? Where's that wedding footage.....?

Use it for what it is worth. Players will make contact in this game and sometimes will look like this. I would just need to see clearer what the other arm was doing and I would feel more confident calling an IF.

Peace

[just another ref]

I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.

Agreed. There's no attempt to play the ball here. He comes across the upper right arm and pulls him down with his right hand.

And I'd bet the C is telling him he had a left hand full of jersey as well.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And I'd bet the C is telling him he had a left hand full of jersey as well.

Looks like both hands to me. I say make the X. The defender was playing the body completely.

[tref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.

My thoughts exactly... boy, are the commentators some homers!

[JugglingReferee]

X all the way. No need to see it on replay or in slow motion.