Finally got that intentional

[stiffler3492]

You probably remember my discussion from last week, about removing a player from a summer league game.

Had more games in the league tonight. Actually had an intentional foul. A1 has a breakaway. B1 is a step behind. As A1 goes up for the layup, B1 lowers his shoulder into A1 from behind. Not the most egrigious foul you've ever seen, but definitely intentional.

Also had a tech for a kid slamming the ball down and letting it go about 15 feet in the air. Same kid had tried to slam it down earlier, but managed to screw that up, thus avoid a T.

[26 Year Gap]

Could've been a flagrant, but htbt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Could've been a flagrant, but htbt.

Yep. That was my first thought while reading, but I might be picturing a dropped shoulder from behind differently than it happened.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Could've been a flagrant, but htbt.

I think his statement "Not the most egrigious foul you've ever seen, but definitely intentional." indicates he made a decision at the time of the foul whether or not it was flagrant. IOW, he did consider it but decided it did not warrant a call at that level.

[stiffler3492]

To be honest, a flagrant didn't really even cross my mind. There was nothing violent or savage about B1's actions, and this play fits the definition of intentional foul much better. He "neutralized an opponent's obvious advantageous position" and did not make "a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player"

4-19-3

[ontheway]

i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by ontheway

i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play

Injuries can happen on legal plays too...it's part of the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ontheway

i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play

Injuries happen on not only legal plays but where there is no foul at all and there is a lot of contact. Sorry, I do not think we should be calling fouls based on injuries, but legality of the action. This really is a HTBT situation anyway because it might sound one way and look a completely different way.

Peace

[ontheway]

sorry im new HTBT means what?

and i get what your saying i guess its just the player coming out in me instead of the ref

[APG]

Originally Posted by ontheway

sorry im new HTBT means what?

and i get what your saying i guess its just the player coming out in me instead of the ref

Had To Be There

[BillyMac]

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

To be honest, a flagrant didn't really even cross my mind. There was nothing violent or savage about B1's actions, and this play fits the definition of intentional foul much better. He "neutralized an opponent's obvious advantageous position" and did not make "a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player"

4-19-3

Like I said, I must be envisioning it differently than it happened, but a lowered shoulder from behind would at least have it cross my mind. If the same player did it later in the same game, my threshold would drop a bit also.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Like I said, I must be envisioning it differently than it happened, but a lowered shoulder from behind would at least have it cross my mind. If the same player did it later in the same game, my threshold would drop a bit also.

Agreed

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Injuries happen on not only legal plays but where there is no foul at all and there is a lot of contact.

Had a player whinning about contact (after he missed the bunny) the other day.

"If you dont want ANY contact, the tennis courts are that way & the bowling alley is just around the corner."

All he could do was laugh. Well, he started playing better too & that was good!

[Adam]

A few years ago in a FB game, we had a kid pull this. First quarter, he shoved a point guy from behind as the guy was going for a layup. Easy X.
Third quarter, same guy shoves smaller player in the same situation. Partner tossed him.