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Old Wed Jun 22, 2011, 11:46pm
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To be honest, a flagrant didn't really even cross my mind. There was nothing violent or savage about B1's actions, and this play fits the definition of intentional foul much better. He "neutralized an opponent's obvious advantageous position" and did not make "a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player"

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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 12:53am
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i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 01:12am
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i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play
Injuries can happen on legal plays too...it's part of the game.
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 01:38am
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i understand what you fellas are saying and it works because of how officiating is and how the rules are stated but a lowered shoulder from behind can cause serious injuries even if its not "the most egrigious foul" i watched my star forward fracture his wrist in an extremely similar play
Injuries happen on not only legal plays but where there is no foul at all and there is a lot of contact. Sorry, I do not think we should be calling fouls based on injuries, but legality of the action. This really is a HTBT situation anyway because it might sound one way and look a completely different way.

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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 03:09am
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sorry im new HTBT means what?

and i get what your saying i guess its just the player coming out in me instead of the ref
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sorry im new HTBT means what?

and i get what your saying i guess its just the player coming out in me instead of the ref
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 10:01pm
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 10:08am
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Injuries happen on not only legal plays but where there is no foul at all and there is a lot of contact.
Had a player whinning about contact (after he missed the bunny) the other day.

"If you dont want ANY contact, the tennis courts are that way & the bowling alley is just around the corner."

All he could do was laugh. Well, he started playing better too & that was good!
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Old Thu Jun 23, 2011, 10:47am
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Had a player whinning about contact (after he missed the bunny) the other day.

"If you dont want ANY contact, the tennis courts are that way & the bowling alley is just around the corner."

All he could do was laugh. Well, he started playing better too & that was good!
Hey man...I nearly busted my knee and shoulder bowling last night. Shoe didn't slide on a release, I fell forward. Knee was sore all night, and I was incredibly lucky that my shoulder didn't pop out. I broke my fall with my right hand...right on the oil-covered alley. Arm slid out more, I'm lucky I didn't end up in the hospital.
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I nearly busted my knee and shoulder bowling last night. I'm lucky I didn't end up in the hospital.
I would blame the officials. It's always their fault. They should have called more fouls.
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I would blame the officials. It's always their fault. They should have called more fouls.
Since they only oil after the line, he probably DID commit a foul.
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To be honest, a flagrant didn't really even cross my mind. There was nothing violent or savage about B1's actions, and this play fits the definition of intentional foul much better. He "neutralized an opponent's obvious advantageous position" and did not make "a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player"

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Like I said, I must be envisioning it differently than it happened, but a lowered shoulder from behind would at least have it cross my mind. If the same player did it later in the same game, my threshold would drop a bit also.
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Like I said, I must be envisioning it differently than it happened, but a lowered shoulder from behind would at least have it cross my mind. If the same player did it later in the same game, my threshold would drop a bit also.
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A few years ago in a FB game, we had a kid pull this. First quarter, he shoved a point guy from behind as the guy was going for a layup. Easy X.
Third quarter, same guy shoves smaller player in the same situation. Partner tossed him.
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