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[grunewar]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Numerous times? Really? Perhaps what you think you are seeing isn't really occurring because I can say I've rarely seen this play happen where the player/team wasn't properly penalized. I could see this maybe happening when the officials on the game aren't used to above the rim play, but for any official who has even done just a few above the rim games, this shouldn't catch them off guard.

That's what I was thinking.

When I first arrived at the forum several yrs ago, I asked a question about players hanging on the rim. Many dunks, I believe, end in players excessively hanging or holding on the rim (mostly at the college and NBA level).....and we're talking grasping and holding, swinging, nearly doing chin ups, etc., and they are very rarely called.

With experience, I learned not to be a plumber.

The play of which you speak, IMO, would happen very fast, and you would not be evaluated well, or move forward, by calling it.

You'll learn to let em go (or not).......I did.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by grunewar

That's what I was thinking.

When I first arrived at the forum several yrs ago, I asked a question about players hanging on the rim. Many dunks, I believe, end in players excessively hanging or holding on the rim (mostly at the college and NBA level).....and we're talking grasping and holding, swinging, nearly doing chin ups, etc., and they are very rarely called.

With experience, I learned not to be a plumber.

The play of which you speak, IMO, would happen very fast, and you would not be evaluated well, or move forward, by calling it.

You'll learn to let em go (or not).......I did.

Well, that's what I was thinking, but most of the responses, here, indicate they would not let them go.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

No advantage gained by a player grasping the rim with his free hand before dunking...ooookay then.

My chances of playing in The League would've increased considerably, if that was legal

[RandyBrown]

Anyway, getting back to my topic: It sounds like some of you work in areas where at least some of the high school kids are capable of violating 10-3-4a. In an attempt to gather its frequency, has any of you ever actually called it?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

Anyway, getting back to my topic: It sounds like some of you work in areas where at least some of the high school kids are capable of violating 10-3-4a. In an attempt to gather its frequency, has any of you ever actually called it?

Not very often...it's not even a call that happens at any level of play that often. Consider how many times you've seen this happen in NCAA/NBA games. Players pretty much know you can't do this. I've called it once and it was pretty blatant.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Not very often...it's not even a call that happens at any level of play that often. Consider how many times you've seen this happen in NCAA/NBA games. Players pretty much know you can't do this. I've called it once and it was pretty blatant.

That comports with my observations as a spectator.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

That comports with my observations as a spectator.

Well there's something faulty with your observations. What you think is happening is probably not happening. If you wish to, find an example on YouTube or any other site and share it with us. If it's happening as often as you said it was, then surely it would be easy to find video evidence?

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well there's something faulty with your observations. What you think is happening is probably not happening. If you wish to, find an example on YouTube or any other site and share it with us. If it's happening as often as you said it was, then surely it would be easy to find video evidence?

Sheez: "comport" means to be consistent with, or agree!

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by tref

My chances of playing in The League would've increased considerably, if that was legal

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

This play isn't legal at any level. The rule is the same under NCAA rules I believe. Under NBA rules, this would be an illegal assist in scoring violation...not a technical foul. The ball would be awarded to the defense at the free throw line extended.

Again I say, what you think you are viewing must not be what is happening. No official is going to allow a player to grasp the rim clearly with his off-hand and dunk the ball with the other hand...I promise you if I allowed this to happen in a game, the entire team on defense, the bench, the coach, the person at the snack bar getting popcorn...everyone would give me hell for this, because everyone knows you can't do this...the dunker would probably have a look on his face knowing he got away with one.

Haven't you yourself said you've only been officiating for at most two years? I'd be very careful in trying to determine what is and isn't the intent of the rules...the replies you get on the forum come from those that have been doing this a lot longer than you and I have. I would concentrate more on knowing the rules inside and out, mechanics, and how to properly enforce the rules.

I'm not sure I'm being understood. I'm talking about what grunewar is talking about, and tref when he indicated it would be allowed because during a dunk, and Snaq when he seemed to make a distinction based on whether control of the ball was maintained. Some of you seem to be imagining moment being applied to the ring. I'm just talking about a simple grasp, nothing else--no affect whatever on the goal taking place by the hand with the ball doing the dunking.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not if the grasping was done while control of the ball had been lost.

FTR, I've revised my post. The exception in 4-6 does not apply to 10-3. I should have caught that before responding, but I've now crossed out the irrelevant portions of my initial response.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

FTR, I've revised my post. The exception in 4-6 does not apply to 10-3. I should have caught that before responding, but I've now crossed out the irrelevant portions of my initial response.

To be fair, I was sidetracked when basket interference was brought up earlier. JR was right that it didn't apply in this case.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

I'm not sure I'm being understood.

No, we're crystal!!