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Adam · #31 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

RandyBrown · #32 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

RandyBrown · #33 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

Grasping and slapping, yes, but describe the pushing for me. Are we talking using the board/ring to reposition themselves to block a shot, get a rebound, or what?

tref · #34 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:26am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

APG · #35 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:27am

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

RandyBrown · #36 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:34am

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Originally Posted by tref

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

An interesting one: Isn't that legal, because done while dunking? Does the "before" element make it illegal? What about shooting motion? Did you call it?

Jurassic Referee · #37 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:35am

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Defensive player puts one hand on one side of the board to steady himself and swats the ball away on the other side with the other hand. "T" for the hand on the board and possible goaltending or basket interference on the swat.

Defensive player grabs the ring with one hand and swats a try away with the other. Same result. Technical foul and possible GT or BI.

tref · #38 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:36am

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

An interesting one: Isn't that legal, because done while dunking?

Yeah, okay...

Adam · #39 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:40am

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

?????

~~Not if the grasping was done while control of the ball had been lost.~~

~~And~~ if a player uses the rim to make a dunk possible (prolonging air time, gaining extra height, etc), ring him up.

And the exception is listed in 4-6, Basket Interference, not 10-3. There is no exception for player technicals during a dunk.

APG · #40 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:41am

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Originally Posted by RandyBrown

An interesting one: Isn't that legal, because done while dunking? Does the "before" element make it illegal? What about shooting motion? Did you call it?

Is this a serious question?

Jurassic Referee · #41 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:46am

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Originally Posted by tref

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

I'd "T" that one up under 10-3-3 instead of 10-3-4. The ball is dead on the initial grab so the subsequent dunk with a dead ball is ignored(unless you're MTD Sr.

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You have to make sure that another player wasn't underneath A1 though when he grabbed the ring. If so, you can still make 10-4-4(a) fit also. Same result.

Welpe · #42 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not if the grasping was done while control of the ball had been lost.

And if a player uses the rim to make a dunk possible (prolonging air time, gaining extra height, etc), ring him up.

And the exception is listed in 4-6, Basket Interference, not 10-3. There is no exception for player technicals during a dunk.

Ignoring your list, are you?

RandyBrown · #43 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:49am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

It will probably have to. In one of my first AAU games, I witnessed a kid make one of the most fluid hook and spin moves for an easy lay-in I have ever seen. It came toward me from the block across the key while in Lead. I was so shocked, I could do nothing but admire it (along with the even more mesmerized spectator standing behind me). Same thing happened later in the game by a very small player on the same team. Again, while in Lead, he grabs the jersey of a much larger opponent under the basket during rebounding, precisely at the moment the opponent tries to go up for the rebound, and then quickly released. The opponent didn't even know it had happened. Again, I was dumbfounded, and unable to react. I was not prepared for those sorts of tactics at that level.

Adam · #44 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Welpe

Ignoring your list, are you?

He's getting quoted, which allows me to respond.

grunewar · #45 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 11, 2011, 11:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He's getting quoted, which allows me to respond.

I've got the same problem..... Gapper had an issue with me quoting someone the other day and I told him I would try to avoid it in the future.....now, if I can only remember who it was.......