2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[KingTripleJump]

Apparently that official has released a statement stating he did count to 5 seconds.

His problem is that there is video evidence, and it doesn't back up his statement.

[Johnny Ringo]

Cartmel probably did say five in his head, the problem is hand count was not there yet.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by KingTripleJump

Apparently that official has released a statement stating he did count to 5 seconds.

His problem is that there is video evidence, and it doesn't back up his statement.

I timed it a couple of times on the stopwatch and it's around 4.8 each time. Pretty darn close if you ask me.

[APG]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I timed it a couple of times on the stopwatch and it's around 4.8 each time. Pretty darn close if you ask me.

Still doesn't excuse the poor mechanics on this play.

[biz]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I timed it a couple of times on the stopwatch and it's around 4.8 each time. Pretty darn close if you ask me.

The problem is that the rules call for a VISIBLE count and he never chopped for a fifth time. Not to mention that close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. The time-out should've been granted.

[Berkut]

As an Arizona fan, I am going to just be happy it went our way.

I really cannot see how that happened though...

[APG]

Originally Posted by Berkut

As an Arizona fan, I am going to just be happy it went our way.

I really cannot see how that happened though...

As a Texas fan, I will say we choked the game away and that y'all deserved to win.

[just another ref]

How can anybody say this is a bad call? Assuming the 4.8 stated above is accurate, what do we expect? If the arm count doesn't match, it is a flaw, sure. But did that have any impact on this particular play? Was the thrower counting the swings out of the corner of his eye thinking "I still have time." I doubt it.

[ILRef80]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How can anybody say this is a bad call? Assuming the 4.8 stated above is accurate, what do we expect? If the arm count doesn't match, it is a flaw, sure. But did that have any impact on this particular play? Was the thrower counting the swings out of the corner of his eye thinking "I still have time." I doubt it.

What do we expect? You don't blow the whistle until you reached 5 visible counts. This is a very basic officiating skill and it's inexcusable to blow that simple of a call at that level. This isn't a judgment call we are talking about...

I have no dog in this fight, but it's ok to acknowledge that the official kicked it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

how can anybody say this is a bad call? Assuming the 4.8 stated above is accurate, what do we expect? If the arm count doesn't match, it is a flaw, sure. But did that have any impact on this particular play? Was the thrower counting the swings out of the corner of his eye thinking "i still have time." i doubt it.

+1

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

As a Texas fan, I will say we choked the game away and that y'all deserved to win.

Funny, right before that play, with Arizona down 2 and Texas putting the ball in...I was thinking that we choked the game away and Texas deserved the win...

I have to admit I was getting a bit tired of watching Brown go to the line every time he threw himself down the lane with abandon. Seemed like the entire strategy was pretty much drive the lane, look for the call. And they got it. What did he hit - 13 free throws in a row? Game had no flow to it at all late in the second.

[fiasco]

So I turned the TV off not long after the Arizona game, but I have a friend who was telling me later that John Adams came back on the show and referenced the "4-second" timeout rule in defending the referee, esssentially saying the rule IS in the book. Did anyone else see this or was my buddy mistaken??