2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[ATXCoach]

So I am clearly a Texas fan. The question I have is on the 5-second call at the end of the game?

After a timeout, Texas is inbounding the ball and at about 4.5 seconds, the inbounder goes to call a timeout. The ref, who has just started his fifth arm swing, stops his count and immediately calls a five-second violation.

The TNT announcer said after the game it was the right call because you can't call a timeout after four seconds. Maybe he said after the ref starts his fifth arm swing.

In any event, sounds strange to me. Can somebody help me understand?

I'm not bitter, just curious. Obviously NCAA rules.

Thanks in advance.

[APG]

They are wrong. There is no rule that states a time out can not be called when a count has reached four.

I personally thought I heard timeout a little bit after the fourth swing. The official did call the violation before his fifth swing. He was maybe halfway into it. Mechanics wise, I thought it was a poor job.

[APG]

Rule 5
Section 12. Timeouts Not Granted

Art. 1. No timeouts shall be granted:

a. To the opponents of the throw-in team after the throw-in starts.
b. During an interrupted dribble.
c. To a player or coach when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds or into the backcourt.
d. Unless there is player control by the requesting team. Exception: Rule 5-12.1.c.
e. Until after the jump ball that begins the game and the conditions as described in Rule 5-10 are in effect.


That's it...nothing about not granting one after a certain point in a count.

[HornPowered]

Inbounder was calling for the TO even before he finished the 4 second count.

[fiasco]

Gosh these announcers annoy me to no end. They do such a disservice to officiating by spouting off these made-up rules.

[APG]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Gosh these announcers annoy me to no end. They do such a disservice to officiating by spouting off these made-up rules.

What I have to wonder is if they asked John Adams before spouting that one off. I know I've seen him on the networks for controversial plays. I'd have to venture he wasn't approached before they made that misstatement because there was a potential foul at the end of this game and they were confused about it. Contact happened after the lights went off, but it took them a while to figure that out.

[cmar]

I'd like to get to the bottom of this as well, because i'd never heard of rule until it was called and seth davis (always the voice of reason ) said it, and have seen plenty of times where the timeout was granted. Obviously if that's incorrect and this was the correct ruling, i'd like to know for my own future reference.

[APG]

Originally Posted by cmar

I'd like to get to the bottom of this as well, because i'd never heard of rule until it was called and seth davis (always the voice of reason ) said it, and have seen plenty of times where the timeout was granted. Obviously if that's incorrect and this was the correct ruling, i'd like to know for my own future reference.

Well I posted the pertitent NCAA rule above. You can also download the NCAA rules book and case book online.

[cmar]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well I posted the pertitent NCAA rule above. You can also download the NCAA rules book and case book online.

I didn't know that was available for download, i'll look into that, thanks


...Also on the seth davis thing, that leads me into a rant about announcers. I really wish announcers and gasbags like Davis had to have an understanding of the rules; People listen to these guys and take their word as if they know for a fact what they're saying and it bothers me when they talk about rules and are flat out wrong. Granted i'm biased but officiating is difficult enough to do on it's own with a bunch of armchair critics, most of which have never done it, we don't need these tv hairdo's spouting false information as fact making everything more difficult for everybody. Their job is not a difficult one, it's really inexcusable that they give information on the rules without actually knowing them.

[fiasco]

Seth Freaking Davis...this is the same guy who cried for hours and hours about a so-called travel on an up-and-under move by Georgetown's Jeff Green in an Elite 8 game against North Carolina.

When it was finally explained to him what a travel actually is, Davis had the audacity to go to the slow-mo replay zoomed in on Green's foot to show that he lifted it about a half an inch off the floor, so technically he did travel.

Davis has since recanted his stupid-ness via twitter.

Dolt.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Seth Freaking Davis...this is the same guy who cried for hours and hours about a so-called travel on an up-and-under move by Georgetown's Jeff Green in an Elite 8 game against North Carolina.

When it was finally explained to him what a travel actually is, Davis had the audacity to go to the slow-mo replay zoomed in on Green's foot to show that he lifted it about a half an inch off the floor, so technically he did travel.

Davis has since recanted his stupid-ness via twitter.

Dolt.

The game was against Vanderbilt and it was in the 2008 Sweet 16. Georgetown won 66-65 and advanced to meet North Carolina in the Elite Eight. Georgetown won that game in OT to advance to the Final Four.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

The TNT announcer said after the game it was the right call because you can't call a timeout after four seconds.
In any event, sounds strange to me. Can somebody help me understand?

Maybe the announcer was an old fogey who remembers back 30+ years when that used to be the operative ruling???
Not applicable at all in the modern game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Maybe the announcer was an old fogey who remembers back 30+ years when that used to be the operative ruling???

Change of status.

[stiffler3492]

Just to pile on...I heard Will Perdue calling the North Carolina game on radio today. First he accused an official who, by the radio description, sold a blocking foul call of making it about himself. Then when there was a close OOB call, said he thought they could look at the monitor to determine who hit it out of bounds.

He was quickly corrected.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Just to pile on...I heard Will Perdue calling the North Carolina game on radio today. First he accused an official who, by the radio description, sold a blocking foul call of making it about himself. Then when there was a close OOB call, said he thought they could look at the monitor to determine who hit it out of bounds.

He was quickly corrected.

Maybe he also works NBA games where you could do this under 2 in the fourth and all of OT. Or maybe he's just like 99 percent of announcers and didn't know the rule haha