2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[chymechowder]

rule questions:

1. A1 throws in from his endline. B1 touches ball after it is released; ball deflects down onto the endline. official whistles, points at endline and whistles A1 for a throw in violation.

setting aside the fact that he missed B1 touching the ball, is that just an ncaa rule? that is, in Fed rules, is there anything wrong with inbounding the ball with a bounce pass that first hits a boundary line?

2. do NCAA rules have a different definition for what constitutes a kick? in Fed, the contact has to be intentional right? seems that there are times when a team A player tries to force a bounce pass into traffic. the ball strikes a team B player's foot and they call it a kick.

of course, I could be missing the intentional leg movement. but it seems there are times when it happens so fast that the team B player doesn't move his leg at all. (doesn't even have time to react, in fact.) just wondering if NCAA doesn't require the intent.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

rule questions:

1. A1 throws in from his endline. B1 touches ball after it is released; ball deflects down onto the endline. official whistles, points at endline and whistles A1 for a throw in violation.

setting aside the fact that he missed B1 touching the ball, is that just an ncaa rule? that is, in Fed rules, is there anything wrong with inbounding the ball with a bounce pass that first hits a boundary line?

9-2-2: The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court.......

[chymechowder]

Originally Posted by just another ref

9-2-2: The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court.......

thanks! if i'd had my book I could've read the case play that specifically addresses this

[Drizzle]

I know this has been talked about in the past, but am I the only one who thinks it's dumb to not use Precision Time during the tournament? It seems like that would solve the vast majority of the clock issues.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

I know this has been talked about in the past, but am I the only one who thinks it's dumb to not use Precision Time during the tournament? It seems like that would solve the vast majority of the clock issues.

It was talked about last week. No one really had a sensible reason why the NCAA couldn't pay to use the system at all of its venues.

[Raymond]

Verbal warning for Michigan's bench at around the 5:00 minute mark of the first half. Official actually blew his whistle to hold up throw-in.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

In Fed, the contact has to be intentional right? Seems that there are times when a team A player tries to force a bounce pass into traffic. The ball strikes a team B player's foot and they call it a kick. Of course, I could be missing the intentional leg movement. but it seems there are times when it happens so fast that the team B player doesn't move his leg at all.

NFHS: Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot. An unintentionally kicked ball is never illegal, regardless of how far the ball goes and who recovers it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

rule questions:

1. A1 throws in from his endline. B1 touches ball after it is released; ball deflects down onto the endline. official whistles, points at endline and whistles A1 for a throw in violation.

setting aside the fact that he missed B1 touching the ball, is that just an ncaa rule? that is, in Fed rules, is there anything wrong with inbounding the ball with a bounce pass that first hits a boundary line?

2. do NCAA rules have a different definition for what constitutes a kick? in Fed, the contact has to be intentional right? seems that there are times when a team A player tries to force a bounce pass into traffic. the ball strikes a team B player's foot and they call it a kick.

of course, I could be missing the intentional leg movement. but it seems there are times when it happens so fast that the team B player doesn't move his leg at all. (doesn't even have time to react, in fact.) just wondering if NCAA doesn't require the intent.

Same rules in both. But, the benefit of the doubt goes to "kick" in the second play.