How to deal with bad refs

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I'm not worried about credibility as my goal is not to get you to side with me. My goal was to get an opinion on the idea which several people gave some pretty good opinions on.

Okay. My opinion is you're whining and complaining about the officiating because you see it from a biased standpoint.

And I understand completely why you're not concerned with whether you have any credibility or not.

[Trap]

The reality is most officials are competent hardworking people doing their best. Most parents and coachs are passionate people who are doing the best they can for the kids. Everyone is human and do make mistakes.

My observation, many officials dont want to admit, that there are bad officials and officials have bad days. It is obvious there are bad fans and it seems everyone but them know it.

There are towns I know that hire the same officials ( usually sub varsity ) for all their games. And these officials are well known homers. That is the way it is. I guess its their view - it is the home court advantage.

Also my experience, the younger less formailized the competition, the harder it is to officate and the worse the coaches and fans. I would much rather do a varsity game than a junior high rec game anyday.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Trap

My observation, many officials dont want to admit, that there are bad officials and officials have bad days. It is obvious there are bad fans and it seems everyone but them know it.

Bulogna. I have yet to meet or talk to any official who won't admit there are bad officials.

Originally Posted by Trap

There are towns I know that hire the same officials ( usually sub varsity ) for all their games. And these officials are well known homers. That is the way it is. I guess its their view - it is the home court advantage.

I can't say I've ever talked to one of those guys, but you're calling them cheaters. Do you realize that?

[Trap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bulogna. I have yet to meet or talk to any official who won't admit there are bad officials.

I can't say I've ever talked to one of those guys, but you're calling them cheaters. Do you realize that?

I guess you are right, everyone knows there are officials of different quality. yet it seems like everytime someone comments about a ref, its always ignorant coaches or fans. ( not specific to the start of this post ).


It is all perception. to me yes, to them, no they are providing home court advantage. These are not the guys you are going to see in the state championships or for that matter even a varsity game. And this is that rare exception. This also doesn't meen if you do all of one teams subvarsity games you are a homer, usually the opposite. ( just ask the home coach ).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Trap

I guess you are right, everyone knows there are officials of different quality. yet it seems like everytime someone comments about a ref, its always ignorant coaches or fans.


It is all perception. to me yes, to them, no they are providing home court advantage. These are not the guys you are going to see in the state championships or for that matter even a varsity game. And this is that rare exception. This also doesn't meen if you do all of one teams subvarsity games you are a homer, usually the opposite. ( just ask the home coach ).

I'm not saying they're not out there, I just don't think they're that common. Frankly, I'm more inclined to think their incompetence is usually equally spread, and if you ask the coaches from the home team they'd say the same thing.
That said, there may be an element of familiarity that provides the home team with an advantage (the players know what gets called, the officials anticipate plays more, etc.)

I don't there are too many officials (even career small town JV guys) who purposefully give calls to the home team as a "home court advantage".

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Trap

......these officials are well known homers.

Well known by whom? Back when I started, the jr. high schools around here almost always hired their own officials locally. It was common to give two officials their home schedule and be done with it. I have called the entire season's games for several nearby schools at one time or another, including the one closest to my home. I have been accused of calling in favor of my home school. I have been accused, just as often, of bending over backward and calling against my home school. Critiquing my own performance, I am fairly certain the latter is more of a problem.

It's all about perception.

Quote from a coach of a nearby school: (apologetically, believe it or not)

"We don't need to play against (my home school) any more with you calling. It's just not fair."

Quote from the home coach a few years earlier: (right after a close loss)

"Nobody will ever call you homer!!"

The kicker: Both quotes were by the same guy, who had transferred from one job to the other.

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Well known by whom?

Well known by everyone in the league. I've heard similar comments from the two favored teams, the people that run the league, as well as other coaches and players. I found out this weekend that the main refs son plays for the team we're playing in the championship.

[grunewar]

What You See, Is What You Get (WYSIWYG)

If everyone involved knows about it,
If the league looks the other way,
If everyone still registers their child to play,
If these officials are allowed/invited back next year.
etc., etc.

Y'all deserve each other. Next!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Well known by everyone in the league. I've heard similar comments from the two favored teams, the people that run the league, as well as other coaches and players. I found out this weekend that the main refs son plays for the team we're playing in the championship.

How is the officiating when the 2 favored teams play each other?

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How is the officiating when the 2 favored teams play each other?

Haven't seen them play this year however in the past it's been more of a "no-call" event letting them play it out with a lot of contact and tough play.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Haven't seen them play this year however in the past it's been more of a "no-call" event letting them play it out with a lot of contact and tough play.

Your refs like to get assigned that game because they get to nap and don't have to screw anybody.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I found out this weekend that the main refs son plays for the team we're playing in the championship.

What's your address? I'll send you $7.50 so you can go out an buy yourself a trophy.

Then, your life will be complete.

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by asdf

What's your address? I'll send you $7.50 so you can go out an buy yourself a trophy.

Then, your life will be complete.

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

Coach, I'm going to just add this. From the sounds of it, you at least believe these officials to be corrupt, and the organization itself doesn't seem much better. Frankly, you should be prepared to either take your team to a different league, or form such a league, if the league you're in won't listen to your comments.

If it's as widely known as you say, then I would be surprised if they listened.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

No, I am saying that you are a clown for spending this much time accusing rec-league basketball officials of cheating.

Originally Posted by coach-rec

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

Yes, I do have you nailed on this.

What the heck other reason is there for your whining ?