How to deal with bad refs

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Well known by everyone in the league. I've heard similar comments from the two favored teams, the people that run the league, as well as other coaches and players. I found out this weekend that the main refs son plays for the team we're playing in the championship.

How is the officiating when the 2 favored teams play each other?

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How is the officiating when the 2 favored teams play each other?

Haven't seen them play this year however in the past it's been more of a "no-call" event letting them play it out with a lot of contact and tough play.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Haven't seen them play this year however in the past it's been more of a "no-call" event letting them play it out with a lot of contact and tough play.

Your refs like to get assigned that game because they get to nap and don't have to screw anybody.

[26 Year Gap]

Having observed all that has been posted here, there are some possible conclusions that one can come to regarding these particular officials. But, not having witnessed them, not knowing if they do games for assignors in non-rec-league-settings, not knowing if all they ever do or want to do are rec-league games, it is really difficult to compare them to officials that we know.

It sounds like your best course of action is to make sure your team has opportunities to play outside of that venue. That way you will not be as concerned about those two officials. If you ARE concerned with the officials in other venues, then maybe the officials are not the ones with the problem.

[JRutledge]

I just find it funny that I was being criticized for my comments early on in this thread and almost everyone since has come to the same conclusions or worse about this coach.

Peace

[Trap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bulogna. I have yet to meet or talk to any official who won't admit there are bad officials.

I can't say I've ever talked to one of those guys, but you're calling them cheaters. Do you realize that?

I guess you are right, everyone knows there are officials of different quality. yet it seems like everytime someone comments about a ref, its always ignorant coaches or fans. ( not specific to the start of this post ).


It is all perception. to me yes, to them, no they are providing home court advantage. These are not the guys you are going to see in the state championships or for that matter even a varsity game. And this is that rare exception. This also doesn't meen if you do all of one teams subvarsity games you are a homer, usually the opposite. ( just ask the home coach ).

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just find it funny that I was being criticized for my comments early on in this thread and almost everyone since has come to the same conclusions or worse about this coach.

Peace

It's only because you're bored that you're the one criticized. I'd offer to get you a job in the league to solve you're boredom problems but then I'd have no where to go and complain about you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Trap

I guess you are right, everyone knows there are officials of different quality. yet it seems like everytime someone comments about a ref, its always ignorant coaches or fans.


It is all perception. to me yes, to them, no they are providing home court advantage. These are not the guys you are going to see in the state championships or for that matter even a varsity game. And this is that rare exception. This also doesn't meen if you do all of one teams subvarsity games you are a homer, usually the opposite. ( just ask the home coach ).

I'm not saying they're not out there, I just don't think they're that common. Frankly, I'm more inclined to think their incompetence is usually equally spread, and if you ask the coaches from the home team they'd say the same thing.
That said, there may be an element of familiarity that provides the home team with an advantage (the players know what gets called, the officials anticipate plays more, etc.)

I don't there are too many officials (even career small town JV guys) who purposefully give calls to the home team as a "home court advantage".

[asdf]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I found out this weekend that the main refs son plays for the team we're playing in the championship.

What's your address? I'll send you $7.50 so you can go out an buy yourself a trophy.

Then, your life will be complete.

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by asdf

What's your address? I'll send you $7.50 so you can go out an buy yourself a trophy.

Then, your life will be complete.

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

Coach, I'm going to just add this. From the sounds of it, you at least believe these officials to be corrupt, and the organization itself doesn't seem much better. Frankly, you should be prepared to either take your team to a different league, or form such a league, if the league you're in won't listen to your comments.

If it's as widely known as you say, then I would be surprised if they listened.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

So you're saying the kids don't deserve an opportunity to compete? To acheive and win and to have it be on their merits? That's a surprising statement considering what I've seen from this board thus far.

No, I am saying that you are a clown for spending this much time accusing rec-league basketball officials of cheating.

Originally Posted by coach-rec

But you're absolutely right. I volunteer my time, don't get to see my daughter some days, and deal with the issues that a "rec" league brings so that I can get a trophy. You got me nailed on that one.

Yes, I do have you nailed on this.

What the heck other reason is there for your whining ?

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach, I'm going to just add this. From the sounds of it, you at least believe these officials to be corrupt, and the organization itself doesn't seem much better. Frankly, you should be prepared to either take your team to a different league, or form such a league, if the league you're in won't listen to your comments.

If it's as widely known as you say, then I would be surprised if they listened.

From the conversation here I've dulled in my stance and wouldn't use the word "corrupt". I'm not sure what word I would use at this point. It would be somewhere between 'lack of knowledge' and 'selective calls' however I'm not sure that it's worth making an issue. I'm going to have a conversation about it with the league but considering that I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game and was told it has to be that way because these are the refs we have I don't think anything else will matter much either.

An underlying issue is the positioning of the refs but considering the running clock and some other factors I'm not sure that's worth going into either. I'm still interested in what people's thoughts are and have generally enjoyed the discussion.

[tref]

Originally Posted by asdf

No, I am saying that you are a clown for spending this much time accusing rec-league basketball officials of cheating.

When its all said & done, cheaters never win...

[asdf]

Wonderful !!

Regardless of the outcome, our coach gets a trophy !!