How to deal with bad refs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I found quite a bit that will be useful when I talk to the administrator

1. Officials are supposed to switch responsibilities throughout the game. I did not know this so it's good to know. In non-sanctioned games though it's common for refs to be "lazy" about it.
2. I realized I'm not completely sure whether the officials are certified or not. Something to follow up on in my conversation with the administrator
3. You're bored - doesn't really help me in my league but I could not have found that out by asking local officials.
4. Apparently $30-35 per game is good pay for some areas.
(EDIT) - And reading some of the other posts in this forum is quite educational about rules, officials thinking/responsibilities, and gameplay

I'll just add that, more than the pay, the biggest obstacle you're going to have in rec leagues is atmosphere.

How are your officials treated by the coaches and fans? How are they treated by the administration? Are they backed by the administration when they have to deal with sportsmanship issues?

I'll work a game for $20 where I'm treated as a professional before I'll work a $35 game where I have to put up with coaches and fans berating me all game. Best case scenario is both.

The other thing is, if you're games are played during the sanctioned high school season, your better officials are working those games and aren't available on your nights.

I'm not saying we need a red carpet and a state room; but active and supportive game management goes a long way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

No I expected to get an opinion or several of them. I got plenty and some that helped.




I found quite a bit that will be useful ...

Now, you're next thread will be titled "How to deal with JRut"

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Now, you're next thread will be titled "How to deal with JRut"

Jrut's ok, he's just bored. I'm considering lobbying to get him an offer to ref some of these games so I can chew his ear a little and then he won't be so bored after giving me a T

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Jrut's ok, he's just bored. I'm considering lobbying to get him an offer to ref some of these games so I can chew his ear a little and then he won't be so bored after giving me a T

That's depends on the context of your actions and words.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

Jrut's ok, he's just bored. I'm considering lobbying to get him an offer to ref some of these games so I can chew his ear a little and then he won't be so bored after giving me a T

Lobby all you want to, I do not work those games. I am much happier to not deal with coaches that whine about calls instead of helping kids have a good time playing a fun game.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Just FYI - our local kids rec league pays $30 for HS level games (boys and girls) to experienced officials. We work two or three games in a shift, all with a two person crew. Games are 7 minute stop time quarters with a 3 minute halftime and teams get four 30-second timeouts for the game, so the games go pretty quickly (also 15 point "mercy" rule - no back court guarding). We don't switch on every foul, but we do switch on virtually every shooting foul. On non-shooting fouls, we switch if it "makes sense" - meaning if the positioning of the refs when the foul was called makes it more logical to switch (I think you guys know what I mean). We call this "convenience mechanics".

Sure - we get complaints that the refs are favoring one team over the other. However, those complaints usually come from both teams.

Oh yeah - since we don't really designate a referee and an umpire, I always ask my partner just before tip off if he wants to throw up or have the runs.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Games are 7 minute stop time quarters with a 3 minute halftime and teams get four 30-second timeouts for the game, so the games go pretty quickly (also 15 point "mercy" rule - no back court guarding).

So how long is overtime

[BBrules]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Sure - we get complaints that the refs are favoring one team over the other. However, those complaints usually come from both teams.

When I have one of the coaches tell me, "Man, you sure did right by us tonight" I'll get worried