Ref will get younger

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OldFanDan

As far as one comment that I read here that nobody feels any worse about the Rutgers / St. John's screwup than the three officials: I suppose the players on the team who got screwed out of the chance to win and advance might feel worse. After all, I'm sure that the three officials collected their full game fees and expenses. Pretty nice salve for doing a very poor job.

You mean the players who threw the ball to the opponent to begin with? Gosh, I hope someone tells them they can blame the stupid refs for their loss.

They missed one call. One call. Doctors don't take less money when the get a diagnosis wrong. Attorney's don't take less money for making one mistake. Teachers can really screw up kids' lives in ways that are actually important, yet one kid failing out of school doesn't mean the teacher gets less money in his check. That's just stupid.

[OldFanDan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You mean the players who threw the ball to the opponent to begin with? Gosh, I hope someone tells them they can blame the stupid refs for their loss.

Okay, now I get it: because the Rutgers team screwed up a set play the refs were allowed to stop officiating. Sorry that I didn't see that earlier.

The refs had nothing to do with this screwup, that's a comforting thing to learn.

[Referee24.7]

Look, chalk it up to age, chalk it up to experience, chalk it up to reputation, chalk it up to pedigree -- the list can go on and on and on and on as to reasons why some stripes can't hang it up. . .

One reason and I have no doubt that officials like the Burr's, the Higgins', the Hightower's, etc etc etc -- stick around -- and that's because the coaches they work for want them on their games.

Dick Bavetta is 71 years old -- and he can't catch up to plays the majority of times in NBA games, but he's there because he knows how to manage players, manage coaches, and both those parties believe in him.

The same goes for both Burr and Higgins, and if you think for a nano-second that either one of those guys will only work a 1st or 2nd round game in the tourney, you're fooling yourselves.

Remember, we work at the collegiate level for coaches and in essence, them and the AD's are the supervisor's bosses, and many of those coaches (more than less) want Burr and Higgins to be on their floor when they play, and why? Because of the experience, because of the pedigree, and because those guys have been around this game long enough to know exactly what to say, how to say it, and to get both the coaches and players to buy it off on it -- hook, line, and sinker. . .

Nuff said, pencils down, game over.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Referee24.7

The same goes for both Burr and Higgins, and if you think for a nano-second that either one of those guys will only work a 1st or 2nd round game in the tourney, you're fooling yourselves.

Now I haven't bothered to check myself, so I might just be blowing smoke, but before making a statement like this, you might want to actually check how far they worked that last couple of years.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Referee24.7

Look, chalk it up to age, chalk it up to experience, chalk it up to reputation, chalk it up to pedigree -- the list can go on and on and on and on as to reasons why some stripes can't hang it up. . .

One reason and I have no doubt that officials like the Burr's, the Higgins', the Hightower's, etc etc etc -- stick around -- and that's because the coaches they work for want them on their games.

Dick Bavetta is 71 years old -- and he can't catch up to plays the majority of times in NBA games, but he's there because he knows how to manage players, manage coaches, and both those parties believe in him.

You are absolutely right.

Originally Posted by Referee24.7

The same goes for both Burr and Higgins, and if you think for a nano-second that either one of those guys will only work a 1st or 2nd round game in the tourney, you're fooling yourselves.

Actually they might not work beyond the first weekend the last couple of years anyway. It will not be because of this situation, it might be for other reasons that none of us by John Adams knows for sure.

I know both worked more NIT and those other tournament games than they did NCAA Tournament games.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Referee24.7

Look, chalk it up to age, chalk it up to experience, chalk it up to reputation, chalk it up to pedigree -- the list can go on and on and on and on as to reasons why some stripes can't hang it up. . .

One reason and I have no doubt that officials like the Burr's, the Higgins', the Hightower's, etc etc etc -- stick around -- and that's because the coaches they work for want them on their games.

Dick Bavetta is 71 years old -- and he can't catch up to plays the majority of times in NBA games, but he's there because he knows how to manage players, manage coaches, and both those parties believe in him.

The same goes for both Burr and Higgins, and if you think for a nano-second that either one of those guys will only work a 1st or 2nd round game in the tourney, you're fooling yourselves.

Remember, we work at the collegiate level for coaches and in essence, them and the AD's are the supervisor's bosses, and many of those coaches (more than less) want Burr and Higgins to be on their floor when they play, and why? Because of the experience, because of the pedigree, and because those guys have been around this game long enough to know exactly what to say, how to say it, and to get both the coaches and players to buy it off on it -- hook, line, and sinker. . .

Nuff said, pencils down, game over.

Some of this is true and some of it is WAY overstated IMO.

I'll take the bet in bold.

[biz]

Actually I would bet that Higgins doesn't get any games in the NCAA tourney. He worked 1 game in 2009 and did not get any games in 2010. He clearly is not a John Adams favorite. 2008 was the last time Tim Higgins worked the second weekend of the tourney.

As for Burr...I would bet a large sum of money that he works at least one game on the first weekend. This is mostly based on Adams' praise of his work this year in the Rutgers/St. John's aftermath. Also, his tournament history with Adams in charge is a little better. In 2010 Burr worked 2 games on the first weekend and worked an Elite 8 game.

The evidence points to a conclusion that Adams thinks more highly of Burr's current form than of Higgins'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OldFanDan

Okay, now I get it: because the Rutgers team screwed up a set play the refs were allowed to stop officiating. Sorry that I didn't see that earlier.

The refs had nothing to do with this screwup, that's a comforting thing to learn.

Did you really get that from what I said; because I'm sure my 5 year old son would have better reading comprehension.

They screwed up, yep they sure did. So what?

It's not like Rutgers actually played any defense to earn that turnover, so they aren't getting punished in spite of playing well. They played like sh1t the last few seconds. I'd say they performed worse than the refs.

That said, you neglected to respond to the more important part of my post; but that's okay, I'm not sure you understood it anyway. I think I used some big words.