Tim Higgins

[APG]

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

Whose call was it? Burr or Higgins?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Whose call was it? Burr or Higgins?

It was at mid court table side. They were both at/around opposite endlines. The pass went long, but all the action being discussed happened at mid court table side. Both appeared to be screened out by bench personnell. The "C"'s body language was "Something funky just happened but I am not sure what" and looks at both officials as he heads across the court. I don't have faces to go with names, but one of the officials was much quicker to the locker room tunnel than the other two.
My take away from this is: If guys at THAT level can make mistakes like that, I feel much better about the mistakes I make at my level!

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was at mid court table side. They were both at/around opposite endlines. The pass went long, but all the action being discussed happened at mid court table side. Both appeared to be screened out by bench personnell. The "C"'s body language was "Something funky just happened but I am not sure what" and looks at both officials as he heads across the court. I don't have faces to go with names, but one of the officials was much quicker to the locker room tunnel than the other two.
My take away from this is: If guys at THAT level can make mistakes like that, I feel much better about the mistakes I make at my level!

Since it is common for coaches to go out on the court during playing time and not be sanctioned, I could see how the officials would be screened out.

Next, I expect a coach to set up a screen while going on to the court.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Since it is common for coaches to go out on the court during playing time and not be sanctioned, I could see how the officials would be screened out.

Next, I expect a coach to set up a screen while going on to the court.

I haven't seen that, but I have seen a coach reach out with their clipboard to "steal" the ball from a player coming up the sideline!

[Referee24.7]

The bottom line is this -- you CANNOT miss impact plays that can possibly alter the outcome of a game -- at any level.

Burr and Higgins are old-school guys and I'm sure they just chalked it up to either "I didn't see it" or they had the clock at 00.0, because Burr walked off like nothing even happened. . .

If they were going to call a travel, it would've been around 2.1, but either way, SOMETHING needed to be called and you can't miss obvious plays.

That, first and foremost, for all of us who wear stripes, trumps everything.

I feel bad for Walton out of all of them, because I'm sure he's going to be put up as the "Lee Harvey Oswald" in this mess that if Burr didn't pick it up, then Higgins should.

Nuff said, pencils down, game over.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

I totally agree with you about the OOB call. That should not have been missed.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally agree with you about the OOB call. That should not have been missed.

Hell, I don't think anybody could ever argue that. But...it happens.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hell, I don't think anybody could ever argue that. But...it happens.

Of course it happens, even to me.

Peace

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

Could you elaborate on why you think a travel wasn't called by the C?

If the center saw the whole play (I don't think he did; I think he looked away for a moment after the SJU player gained control), why wouldn't he have a travel there? He has to assume that the player is in bounds, and he hasn't heard a horn or seen an LED light. If you move the sideline over another foot, it's an obvious travel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jbduke

Could you elaborate on why you think a travel wasn't called by the C?

If the center saw the whole play (I don't think he did; I think he looked away for a moment after the SJU player gained control), why wouldn't he have a travel there? He has to assume that the player is in bounds, and he hasn't heard a horn or seen an LED light. If you move the sideline over another foot, it's an obvious travel.

Because the ball was on the other side of the court and there is a Lead or Trail that can clearly see the ball much better than the C. We cannot even agree here when the guy had possession and the view across the court is not as clear as it appears the ball handler grabbed the ball with his right arm away from the C.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by jbduke

Could you elaborate on why you think a travel wasn't called by the C?

If the center saw the whole play (I don't think he did; I think he looked away for a moment after the SJU player gained control), why wouldn't he have a travel there? He has to assume that the player is in bounds, and he hasn't heard a horn or seen an LED light. If you move the sideline over another foot, it's an obvious travel.

Because I believe the new lead (after the turnover) would have the best view of when the dribble ended as opposed to the center who wouldn't have a clear view of the gather because the player gathered it on the side furthest from him. This is a call the new L and even the new T should have made.