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cmhjordan23 Hand checking Thu Mar 03, 2011, 01:49pm

JRutledge By rule how? Fouls are not to... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 01:59pm

Adam I pretty much agree with Rut,... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:03pm

Mark Padgett A few centuries ago, when I... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:09pm

bob jenkins Here we go again. You are... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:10pm

bainsey Superbly worded advice. ... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:50pm

Jurassic Referee +1 And afaik NCAAM and the... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:27pm

Jurassic Referee Disagree. If they put a hand... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:08pm

wfd21 Call the hand-checks early... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:13pm

tref Even when they go right... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:13pm

Adam Not really the problem in the... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:17pm

JRutledge OK. I still want an advantage... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:14pm

tref Glad I dont do that brand of... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:22pm

doubleringer Most of the people I work... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:38pm

Indianaref You still working games? Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:57pm

cmhjordan23 I don't care about what the... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:15pm

JRutledge Just because you have some... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:19pm

cmhjordan23 The only reason I said I... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:21pm

refiator You gotta call the "Hot... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:15am

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just another ref To simplify: If it wasn't... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 12:40pm

JRutledge So we should call fouls that... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 02:41pm

just another ref Read the definition again,... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 02:49pm

JRutledge 4-27-3 says: "Contact, which... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:21pm

just another ref 4-19-1: A personal foul is a... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:35pm

Rich Depends if this "opinion" is... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:37pm

Jurassic Referee Um, yes, you sureasheck have... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 06:09pm

JRutledge You are right, it is an... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 12:27am

just another ref Agree. Kinda like belts. ... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:00am

JRutledge You keep trying to bring that... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:09am

just another ref The point was a big majority... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:19am

JRutledge That is great, but what do we... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:40am

just another ref officiating.com :D ... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:45am

JRutledge "One official calls a... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:48am

just another ref Never mind, Rut. You can... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:53am

APG JAR, Your one man crusade... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 02:23am

just another ref Yeah, I had vowed not to go... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 02:39am

JRutledge Same here. How in the... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:02am

just another ref I actually thought it was a... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:12am

Adam +1 Bull sh1t. You're... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 08:26am

Judtech Mark T - I will disagree with... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 10:26am

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Judtech: Let me direct you... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:19pm

mbyron OTOH, once some NFHS lurker... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 07:36am

APG I would much rather have the... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 12:28pm

mbyron Oh, I wasn't prioritizing. I... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 01:22pm

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. APG: If you don't notice... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:24pm

APG Perhaps you didn't get the... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:43pm

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Basketball is a "non-contact"... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 02:55pm

BillyMac Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:33pm

JugglingReferee Play 1: I'm talking to the... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:43pm

Scrapper1 This is a myth, as surely as... Sun Mar 06, 2011, 04:58pm

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Scrapper: Like most... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:14pm

Scrapper1 Then it's not "non-contact",... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:34pm

Adam No, only one, and he can't... Mon Mar 07, 2011, 03:41pm

dsqrddgd909 I agree that all contact is... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:31pm

just another ref Handchecking is used by the... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:41pm

Jurassic Referee Here's another old NFHS POE... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:44pm

Adam Rule 4-27-3 is an even better... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:47pm

bob jenkins I don't think 1 is a... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 03:57pm

JRutledge POEs are not rules. If they... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 05:42pm

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tref If the "hand check" doesn't... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:05pm

Jurassic Referee That's absolutely ridiculous.... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 02:06pm

26 Year Gap Think it will be a POE in... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 04:26pm

Rich Just like the boy who cried... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 04:29pm

bainsey I like it when they try to... Thu Mar 03, 2011, 04:40pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless I missed something in the actual rulebook, I do not see a thing that says anything about two hands being a foul or not being a foul by rule.

4-19-1: A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements.

10-6-2: A player shall not contact an opponent with his hand.......

The opinion has been expressed that if the hand is placed on the opponent for an extended length of time, it does provide an advantage, whether the movement of the opponent is obviously affected or not. Given this opinion, it is no trouble to call a foul for even a very slight contact with an extended hand and still find rules support.

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