Kemba Walker Bank Play

[LeeBallanfant]

In tonights UConn-Georgetown game, Kemba Walker dribbles the ball down the lane and banks it off the backboard and grabs carom and scores.

On his post game interview he said he did this deliberately, so it was not a try for goal. To me this was a travel (same as passing the ball to yourself after picking up your dribble).

Opinions?

[APG]

It is always legal to throw the ball off of one's backboard and retrieve it. No need to try and determine try or not. This is ALWAYS legal at all levels of play.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

In tonights UConn-Georgetown game, Kemba Walker dribbles the ball down the lane and banks it off the backboard and grabs carom and scores.

On his post game interview he said he did this deliberately, so it was not a try for goal. To me this was a travel (same as passing the ball to yourself after picking up your dribble).

Opinions?

Does not matter what "it is to you." By rule this is legal.

I believe it's casebook 9.5

[APG]

Pertinent NCAA case book play:

A.R. 122. A1 intercepts a pass and dribbles toward A’s basket for a breakaway layup. Near A’s free throw line, A1 legally stops and ends his or her dribble. A1 throws the ball against A’s backboard and follows the throw. While airborne, A1 rebounds the ball off the backboard and dunks.
RULING: The play shall be legal since the backboard is equipment located in A1’s half of the playing court, which A1 is entitled to use. (Rule 4-70.5)

[APG]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

In tonights UConn-Georgetown game, Kemba Walker dribbles the ball down the lane and banks it off the backboard and grabs carom and scores.

On his post game interview he said he did this deliberately, so it was not a try for goal. To me this was a travel (same as passing the ball to yourself after picking up your dribble).

Opinions?

Also, by rule and definition, it is impossible to pass the ball to oneself.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Pertinent NCAA case book play:

A.R. 122. A1 intercepts a pass and dribbles toward A’s basket for a breakaway layup. Near A’s free throw line, A1 legally stops and ends his or her dribble. A1 throws the ball against A’s backboard and follows the throw. While airborne, A1 rebounds the ball off the backboard and dunks.
RULING: The play shall be legal since the backboard is equipment located in A1’s half of the playing court, which A1 is entitled to use. (Rule 4-70.5)

Thanks for that. A further question, instead of shooting would he able to dribble again after throwing off backbaord?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

In tonights UConn-Georgetown game, Kemba Walker dribbles the ball down the lane and banks it off the backboard and grabs carom and scores.

On his post game interview he said he did this deliberately, so it was not a try for goal. To me this was a travel (same as passing the ball to yourself after picking up your dribble).

Opinions?

You might want to read the traveling rule, as well.

NCAA 4-70-1

Traveling occurs when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in this rule.

Throwing the ball off your own backboard is not holding the ball.

And yes, he can dribble again.

[APG]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Thanks for that. A further question, instead of shooting would he able to dribble again after throwing off backbaord?

Sure...play on. This rule is the same at all levels FYI.

[BillyMac]

9.5 SITUATION A: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the
ball against: (a) his/her own backboard; (b) the opponent’s backboard; or (c) an
official and catches the ball after each. RULING: Legal in (a); a team’s own backboard
is considered part of that team’s “equipment” and may be used. In (b) and
(c), A1 has violated; throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official
constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it
strikes the official or the board. (4-4-5; 4-15-1, 2; Fundamental 19)

Nothing about a shot, or a try, in the caseplay, but it has to be a shot, or a try, to allow A1 to legally catch the ball.

[mbyron]

He just wants to be Kobe and Lebron. :shrug:

As others observe, legal at all levels, provided it's the player's team's backboard. On the opponent's backboard you could have an illegal dribble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.5 SITUATION A: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the
ball against: (a) his/her own backboard; (b) the opponent’s backboard; or (c) an
official and catches the ball after each. RULING: Legal in (a); a team’s own backboard
is considered part of that team’s “equipment” and may be used. In (b) and
(c), A1 has violated; throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official
constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it
strikes the official or the board. (4-4-5; 4-15-1, 2; Fundamental 19)

Nothing about a shot, or a try, in the caseplay, but it has to be a shot, or a try, to allow A1 to legally catch the ball.

"Sceptic?" I think they have medication for that, billy.

[Four-Oh]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You might want to read the traveling rule, as well.

NCAA 4-70-1

Traveling occurs when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in this rule.

Throwing the ball off your own backboard is not holding the ball.

And yes, he can dribble again.

He can what?

NCAA 9.7.1:
A player shall not dribble a second time after the player’s first dribble has ended, unless the player subsequently loses control because of:
a. A try for field goal.
b. A bat by an opponent.
c. A pass or fumble that has then touched or been touched by another player.

Unless you're ruling this a try for goal (I don't think so), then starting another dribble would not be legal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Four-Oh

He can what?

NCAA 9.7.1:
A player shall not dribble a second time after the player’s first dribble has ended, unless the player subsequently loses control because of:
a. A try for field goal.
b. A bat by an opponent.
c. A pass or fumble that has then touched or been touched by another player.

Unless you're ruling this a try for goal (I don't think so), then starting another dribble would not be legal.

The only reason the play is legal to begin with is because it's deemed to be a try. Otherwise it would be a travel per case play 4.44.3D (which used to be an illegal dribble), since there is no other provision allowing a team to throw the ball off his equipment and avoid a violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Four-Oh

He can what?

NCAA 9.7.1:
A player shall not dribble a second time after the player’s first dribble has ended, unless the player subsequently loses control because of:
a. A try for field goal.
b. A bat by an opponent.
c. A pass or fumble that has then touched or been touched by another player.

Unless you're ruling this a try for goal (I don't think so), then starting another dribble would not be legal.

No NCAA official (nor should any high school official) would deem this not to be a try. BBR is right...he can dribble after he throws the ball off his own backboard.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Sceptic?" I think they have medication for that, billy.

And the preventative medication is, well, you know, the first rule of officiating.