I'm thinking about giving it up.

DesMoines · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2011, 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double that unless the schools are only fielding one varsity basketball team.

Yep... my numbers were working doubleheaders. About the only time we see JV/V Boys is at the end of the season (like now) when the girls are done and the boys still have a week left.

Even so, say it happens a couple times a year, it's still peanuts.

OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not.

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2011, 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by DesMoines

Yep... my numbers were working doubleheaders. About the only time we see JV/V Boys is at the end of the season (like now) when the girls are done and the boys still have a week left.

Even so, say it happens a couple times a year, it's still peanuts.

OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not.

They still working 2 in those rural schools?

DesMoines · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2011, 01:45pm

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They still working 2 in those rural schools?

Not in the Bluegrass, NCC, Raccoon, HOI or any place else I've been this year.

Anybody else, Iowans?

IowaMike · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2011, 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by DesMoines

Not in the Bluegrass, NCC, Raccoon, HOI or any place else I've been this year.

Anybody else, Iowans?

I don't know of anyone working two person for varsity games in Iowa. In addition to the MAC in the Quad Cities, I work a lot of games in smaller 1A and 2A conferences and it's always three person and you do a doubleheader, usually boy/girl varsity. The pay disparity is huge though; you get $75 for a single varsity game in the MAC (4A conference), but generally only $75 or $80 to do two games at the smaller schools, plus mileage for one driver. I sometimes wonder why I"m making a three hour round trip for that much money some nights when I could work one soph game at one of the big 4A schools 5 or 10 minutes from my house for $55 and be home by 7:30. I don't do it primarily for the money, but getting home at 11:00 or 12:00 on a work night for an extra $20 doesn't always feel like it's worth it. Ego I guess, or pure insanity.

just another ref · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2011, 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by DesMoines

OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not.

That's actually less than we make. (LA) The least I can get for a varsity doubleheader is $72. (3 man, $31/game, minimum travel $10 per man)
A normal varsity night, (2 man is about all we do) is more like $90 to $95.

eyezen · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2011, 12:04am

I can only speak for my area of Missouri - but on a typical game night there is a Soph/Varsity DH of the same gender. There will be a 2-man Soph crew (pay is I think $46) and a varsity 3-man crew ($65).

On the rare occasion that there is a Girls/Boys varsity DH there will be two distinct varsity 3-man crews. Also usually with that there are two prior (or concurrently in a sec gym) Soph games with two 2-man crews on those as well.

On occasion a Soph official will pull double duty due to injury or other circumstance, he will be paid as though he was working two distinct games.

biggravy · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2011, 12:15am

We have taken a step backwards here in Southeast Kansas going from all 3 man varsity, to now where only one conference uses 3 man. We hear much more whining and yelling from coaches, most of us are frustrated, and it doesn't matter at all. What's worse, we go back to 3 for all playoffs and the teams get to adjust to us now having that third set of eyes. All this so each school can save $700. Yep. That much.

All our V games are GV/BV doubleheaders. Schools are limited to 20 games. That is 20 GV/BV dates. 10 home, 10 away. 10 home dates @ 2 x $115 for two man, or 3x 100 for three man. Do the math. Each school saves 700/yr. It's total crap.

zm1283 · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2011, 12:46am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not sure your math is right and I think you should divide those totals by 2....a team only plays half their games at home (you mention that but don't seem to use it in your math). A different team would be covering the other 11 games. (Or each team is covering half of the total each night).

Or are you saying a referee gets $110 per game? Or is that for a JV/V double header where the JV would get the same crew?

It is 11 girls and 11 boys games. Yes, the JV and V games are the same crew. Two games of 8-minute quarters each (A lot of the big schools play 8-minute JV quarters) would be $110 for each official for the night.

We have over 200 officials in our group, but we have a lot of schools to cover, so I don't think separate JV and V officials would be feasible.

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Originally Posted by mbyron

Could be 11 boys' + 11 girls' games = 22 games.

Yep.

ThatOneRef · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:29pm

LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk!