P.O.I. I'm not giving up until I get this right.

[referee99]

I have read 4-4. Understood.

SECTION 4 BALL LOCATION, AT DISPOSAL

ART.3...A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

ART.4...A ball which touches a player or an official is the same as the ball touching the floor at that individual's location.

ART.5...A ball which touches the front faces or edges of the backboard is treated the same as touching the floor inbounds, except that when the ball touches the thrower's backboard it does not constitute a part of the dribble.

Now, on a try:

A1, from beyond the 3-point line in the middle of the court releases a try towards their basket. A2 and B2 are engaged in rough play and are called for a double foul while the try is in flight. Where, O where are we inbounding the ball if:

a) try is good.
b) try goes out-of-bounds near the basket.
c) try hits the basket or backboard and does not go in.
d) ball is caught by another player near the basket.

[OHBBREF]

a) try is good.
Endline with the right to move
Because the ball is not dead until it goes through the basket that is
where the interuption is
b) try goes out-of-bounds near the basket.
Endline spot throw in where ball went OOB or where the shot was taken
Because the ball is not dead until it is determined the shot is not good
so you could blow it dead once it gets below the basket and take it back to
the point where the shot was taken
c) try hits the basket or backboard and does not go in.
Endline spot throwin
Because the ball is not dead until it is determined the shot is not good
the position of the ball is the backboard or rim.
d) ball is caught by another player near the basket.
spot OOB nearest where player left the floor before catching the ball
Because the ball is not dead until it is determined the shot is not good so
where the player was last in contact with the floor is the position of the
ball.

[mick]

Originally Posted by referee99

I have read 4-4. Understood.

SECTION 4 BALL LOCATION, AT DISPOSAL

ART.3...A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

ART.4...A ball which touches a player or an official is the same as the ball touching the floor at that individual's location.

ART.5...A ball which touches the front faces or edges of the backboard is treated the same as touching the floor inbounds, except that when the ball touches the thrower's backboard it does not constitute a part of the dribble.

Now, on a try:

A1, from beyond the 3-point line in the middle of the court releases a try towards their basket. A2 and B2 are engaged in rough play and are called for a double foul while the try is in flight. Where are we inbounding the ball if:

a) try is good.
b) try goes out-of-bounds near the basket.
c) try hits the basket or backboard and does not go in.
d) ball is caught by another player near the basket.

Look at results of try, either made or missed.
If try is good, B ball on endline.
If try misses, arrow.

Originally Posted by referee99

A1, from beyond the 3-point line in the middle of the court releases a try towards their basket. A2 and B2 are engaged in rough play and are called for a double foul while the try is in flight. Where are we inbounding the ball if:

a) try is good.
b) try goes out-of-bounds near the basket.
c) try hits the basket or backboard and does not go in.
d) ball is caught by another player near the basket.

a) endline running for B
b, c & d) AP throw-in

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

a) endline running for B
b, c & d) AP throw-in

Where are we inbounding the ball?

[mick]

Originally Posted by referee99

Where are we inbounding the ball?

Throw-in where the try ended, baseline at lane extended.

Originally Posted by referee99

Where are we inbounding the ball?

My bad, reading IS fundamental huh

I'm thinking that the whistle isn't going to kill the shot, so a AP throw-in on the endline is the POI for a miss. Endline runnin' on the make.

[jevaque]

Basket is good B get a throw-in anywhere on endline

Basket is missed, AP arrow because there is no team control on a shot, so throw-in is going to be poi

Originally Posted by jevaque

Basket is good B get a throw-in anywhere on endline

Basket is missed, AP arrow because there is no team control on a shot, so throw-in is going to be at the spot closest to the foul.

Double foul in the post ball outside the arc, no attempt, where would you administer the throw-in?

[jevaque]

where the ball is u beat me before i could correct my post

My bad, just wanted to make sure everyone who is trying to grab the concept understands why & for what reason.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

A1, from beyond the 3-point line in the middle of the court releases a try towards their basket. A2 and B2 are engaged in rough play and are called for a double foul while the try is in flight. Where, O where are we inbounding the ball if:

a) try is good.
b) try goes out-of-bounds near the basket.
c) try hits the basket or backboard and does not go in.
d) ball is caught by another player near the basket.

Note that in 4-36 (POI), the phrase "where the ball was located" only occurs in 4-36-2a (when there's TC).

There's no TC in your play.

4-36-2b (the section for a throw-in) and 4-36-2c (the section for no TC) do not specify a specific spot for the throw-in. So, we need to go to7-5-3 which specifies "where the ball became dead."

In all your plays, the ball became dead near the basket -- so the throw-in will be from the end-line.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Note that in 4-36 (POI), the phrase "where the ball was located" only occurs in 4-36-2a (when there's TC).

There's no TC in your play.

4-36-2b (the section for a throw-in) and 4-36-2c (the section for no TC) do not specify a specific spot for the throw-in. So, we need to go to 7-5-3 which specifies "where the ball became dead."

In all your plays, the ball became dead near the basket -- so the throw-in will be from the end-line.

Bob, is this the missing link in all my POI threads and my cognitive disconnect?

So, say, on a throw-in by Team B from end line, player B2 taps an inbounds pass towards the division line. B1 and A1, wrestling, are called for double foul. When double foul occurs, ball was in flight at division line. Our POI will be the division line, because that is "where the ball was" and not in the back court where it was last touched by B2?

[IREFU2]

Yeah, I dont know where the AP thing is coming in. Double Foul, Double Techincal Fouls and Simultanous Fouls are all POI. I believe a blarge is an exception to the rule...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Yeah, I dont know where the AP thing is coming in. Double Foul, Double Techincal Fouls and Simultanous Fouls are all POI. I believe a blarge is an exception to the rule...

The AP comes in when there is a shot in the air at the time of the double foul, and the shot is missed. As per 4-36-2(c), "An AP throwin when the POI is such that neither team is in control (check - no team control once a shot is released), and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved (check - no basket because shot was missed)."