I'm thinking about giving it up.

[jalons]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double that unless the schools are only fielding one varsity basketball team.

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jalons

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

I know the CIML splits, but the schools in the conference I played in do not. But that's beside the point. The point is, I missed the "double header" part and was thinking varsity games.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

We use the varsity doubleheader format here too and do everything in two whistle (except certain tournament championships and playoffs from the quarterfinals onward).Actually the school I scorekeep for had the same set of referees in the quarterfinal round two out of three years.Good crew but what are the odds on working the same school out of your area that much?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Good crew but what are the odds on working the same school out of your area that much?

Not sure, we'd have to ask Charlie Epps.

[IowaMike]

Originally Posted by jalons

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

The MAC still splits boys and girls; so does the WaMac. The Cedar Valley went to more combined girl/boy doubles this year and I think they are going to do it exclusively next year.

I agree with others that doing a sophomore boys game two person is much more difficult than working a three person varsity boys game. It isn't the amount of running either; it's the fact that you just aren't going to see everything. Working three person is just superior in terms of coverage. Funny, several other guys I have worked with this year have mentioned how difficult it is getting to work those soph boys games two person as well. If these schools I work at where you always have to work two games, either JV/Varsity or girl/boy double, went back to two person I would give it up and just stick to baseball.

[DesMoines]

+1 IowaMike

Last Friday I somehow got assigned to work a 3-man crew for a single JV game here in Des Moines. The check was $35 (vs $45 for 2-man), but it was a 4:45 start, done by 6:05. Home for dinner.

Loved it.

[zm1283]

I figured up the 2 vs. 3 money difference for an average school here.

11 home games x 2 (Girls and Boys). Mileage not counted because it shouldn't be any different.

2-Man = $220 per night x 22 nights = $4,840

3-Man = $330 per night x 22 nights = $7,260

$2,420 difference. That is property taxes on about two houses around here. It looks like a lot, but it's pretty negligible.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I figured up the 2 vs. 3 money difference for an average school here.

11 home games x 2 (Girls and Boys). Mileage not counted because it shouldn't be any different.

2-Man = $220 per night x 22 nights = $4,840

3-Man = $330 per night x 22 nights = $7,260

$2,420 difference. That is property taxes on about two houses around here. It looks like a lot, but it's pretty negligible.

You get paid the same for 2 vs 3?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You get paid the same for 2 vs 3?

Yep, although there are very few 3-man games around here. There are two conferences with all Class 4 or 5 schools (Biggest classes), and one of them mandates 3-man for all JV/V nights in either girls or boys. The other was doing this for several years but has decided to make it optional now, so only a few do it for all games, and some only do it for "big" games.

Sometimes three of us will get assigned to a 9th/JV/V night or a BJV/BV/GV tripleheader at a small school. Usually we split it up and all work two games, but sometimes guys will work 3-man all night and split the game fees up three ways. You make less but it makes for an easier night.

I would love it if we got paid a bit more to work 2-man varsity games (Maybe $60 or so) and kept the 3-man rate at $55.

I am for 3-man as much as anyone, but it is not needed for some levels of varsity around here. Most Class 1 and 2 games here do not need three officials. I'll let you figure out why.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I figured up the 2 vs. 3 money difference for an average school here.

11 home games x 2 (Girls and Boys). Mileage not counted because it shouldn't be any different.

2-Man = $220 per night x 22 nights = $4,840

3-Man = $330 per night x 22 nights = $7,260

$2,420 difference. That is property taxes on about two houses around here. It looks like a lot, but it's pretty negligible.

I'm not sure your math is right and I think you should divide those totals by 2....a team only plays half their games at home (you mention that but don't seem to use it in your math). A different team would be covering the other 11 games. (Or each team is covering half of the total each night).

Or are you saying a referee gets $110 per game? Or is that for a JV/V double header where the JV would get the same crew?

In Oregon, the rate comes out to about $60-$65 for most games (once mileage is included) for 2-person. That would be $120-$130 per game per crew. For about 11 games per gender, that is $2860. That would lead to an increase of $1430 per school to add a 3rd official for ALL varsity games for each season (if you still payed each official at the same rate...which is rarely the case in places that use a 3rd).

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not sure your math is right and I think you should divide those totals by 2....a team only plays half their games at home (you mention that but don't seem to use it in your math). A different team would be covering the other 11 games. (Or each team is covering half of the total each night).

Or are you saying a referee gets $110 per game? Or is that for a JV/V double header where the JV would get the same crew?

Could be 11 boys' + 11 girls' games = 22 games.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Could be 11 boys' + 11 girls' games = 22 games.

@ $110 per game? I think he double counted them....either in number of games or in the dollar amount.,

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not sure your math is right and I think you should divide those totals by 2....a team only plays half their games at home (you mention that but don't seem to use it in your math). A different team would be covering the other 11 games. (Or each team is covering half of the total each night).

Or are you saying a referee gets $110 per game? Or is that for a JV/V double header where the JV would get the same crew?

In Oregon, the rate comes out to about $60-$65 for most games (once mileage is included) for 2-person. That would be $120-$130 per game per crew. For about 11 games per gender, that is $2860. That would lead to an increase of $1430 per school to add a 3rd official for ALL varsity games for each season (if you still payed each official at the same rate...which is rarely the case in places that use a 3rd).

Assuming you'd work 3-whistle for $55 per game, they're saving a whopping total of $35 per game, or $770 per year per school (assuming 22 varsity home games per school).

[LeeBallanfant]

When the switch to three whistles was being discussed in my area many years ago, one administrator said " I am all for three whistles at the game...and after the game the coaches can vote on which two of the officials get paid."

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by zm1283

$2,420 difference. That is property taxes on about two houses around here. It looks like a lot, but it's pretty negligible.

Things are getting so bad around here, along with paying taxes and theh obligatory fund raisers, some school districts are now charging $50 for the privilege of having your kid play sports and THEN don't forget to pay your admission fee to get in to watch them in the game.......