I'm thinking about giving it up.

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What does running have to do with handling a 2-man game as opposed to a 3-man game? Running is the easy part to adjust to. Being on the same page applies to 2-man and 3-man and has nothing to do with the argument.

The difference between 2-man and 3-man is coverage and call accuracy, pure and simple.

Rich hit the nail on the head, guys an IDIOT!

[jalons]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double that unless the schools are only fielding one varsity basketball team.

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

Seems like you guys are just getting OLD, maybe let these YOUNG refs in that can "RUN" or be "mentally" able to handle a 2 man game. (not that hard....) I don't see any reason to have 3 officials. If the TWO officials are "on the same page" (so to speak) then they should be MORE than adequate.

Sounds like someone's a bit upset he's not getting varsity games. Think about this, Jr., going to 3 whistles makes more opportunities for younger officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jalons

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

I know the CIML splits, but the schools in the conference I played in do not. But that's beside the point. The point is, I missed the "double header" part and was thinking varsity games.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

We use the varsity doubleheader format here too and do everything in two whistle (except certain tournament championships and playoffs from the quarterfinals onward).Actually the school I scorekeep for had the same set of referees in the quarterfinal round two out of three years.Good crew but what are the odds on working the same school out of your area that much?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Good crew but what are the odds on working the same school out of your area that much?

Not sure, we'd have to ask Charlie Epps.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No, he works in Oregon, a state that at my last check was just as backwards and slow as starting 3-person officiating as we appear to be.

You would be correct on that point...no 3-man in Oregon at this time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like someone's a bit upset he's not getting varsity games. Think about this, Jr., going to 3 whistles makes more opportunities for younger officials.

Only if they don't bundle two games together.....otherwise it drops from 4 officials needed to 3 officials needed for a pair of games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Only if they don't bundle two games together.....otherwise it drops from 4 officials needed to 3 officials needed for a pair of games.

Assuming 3 get double headers while 2 do not, you're right. That's not always the case, though. I've seen all four combinations.

[DesMoines]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double that unless the schools are only fielding one varsity basketball team.

Yep... my numbers were working doubleheaders. About the only time we see JV/V Boys is at the end of the season (like now) when the girls are done and the boys still have a week left.

Even so, say it happens a couple times a year, it's still peanuts.

OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DesMoines

Yep... my numbers were working doubleheaders. About the only time we see JV/V Boys is at the end of the season (like now) when the girls are done and the boys still have a week left.

Even so, say it happens a couple times a year, it's still peanuts.

OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not.

They still working 2 in those rural schools?

[DesMoines]

They still working 2 in those rural schools?

Not in the Bluegrass, NCC, Raccoon, HOI or any place else I've been this year.

Anybody else, Iowans?

[IowaMike]

Originally Posted by jalons

I only know of two conferences in Iowa that split girls and boys games. The majority of schools play G/B doubleheaders.

The MAC still splits boys and girls; so does the WaMac. The Cedar Valley went to more combined girl/boy doubles this year and I think they are going to do it exclusively next year.

I agree with others that doing a sophomore boys game two person is much more difficult than working a three person varsity boys game. It isn't the amount of running either; it's the fact that you just aren't going to see everything. Working three person is just superior in terms of coverage. Funny, several other guys I have worked with this year have mentioned how difficult it is getting to work those soph boys games two person as well. If these schools I work at where you always have to work two games, either JV/Varsity or girl/boy double, went back to two person I would give it up and just stick to baseball.

[DesMoines]

+1 IowaMike

Last Friday I somehow got assigned to work a 3-man crew for a single JV game here in Des Moines. The check was $35 (vs $45 for 2-man), but it was a 4:45 start, done by 6:05. Home for dinner.

Loved it.

[zm1283]

I figured up the 2 vs. 3 money difference for an average school here.

11 home games x 2 (Girls and Boys). Mileage not counted because it shouldn't be any different.

2-Man = $220 per night x 22 nights = $4,840

3-Man = $330 per night x 22 nights = $7,260

$2,420 difference. That is property taxes on about two houses around here. It looks like a lot, but it's pretty negligible.