End of game

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Didn't say "always." In a close game, though, it can certainly play a role.

Really? I must have misunderstood this post, then:

Originally Posted by bainsey

Slightly better, but I still think you're missing the point.

A team doesn't "lose on [a] foul." They win or lose on the score, which is always cumulative of the entire game, including the calls you make.

In a close game, something you may or may not have called in the first quarter affects the game's outcome every bit as something you may or may not have called in the last minute. In basketball, we often hear, "THAT decided the game." It's never just THAT. It's always a series of things. To pin an outcome on one play -- no matter how memorable it may be -- is really a lazy-minded outlook. In a close game, you can often find at least a dozen things that could have changed the outcome.

We're obviously talking about close games. For games that aren't close, this entire discussion is moot.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We're obviously talking about close games. For games that aren't close, this entire discussion is moot.

Right!

The score is always cumulative of the entire game, but the wider the margin, the less likely your calls will affect its outcome (unless your calls are so ridiculously lopsided toward one team that you need to be called on the carpet).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Right!

The score is always cumulative of the entire game, but the wider the margin, the less likely your calls will affect its outcome (unless your calls are so ridiculously lopsided toward one team that you need to be called on the carpet).

Again, obvious. What's your point?

[bainsey]

Aw, man! I thought we were done here.

My initial point to this...

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

You hate to call a foul like that to decide the game but it is still a foul.

...was that a single play NEVER decides a game. The accumulation of everything within the game does.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Aw, man! I thought we were done here.

My initial point to this...



...was that a single play NEVER decides a game. The accumulation of everything within the game does.

And you're wrong.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And you're obviously wrong.

Fixed it for ya.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And you're wrong.

Okay, how so?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, how so?

I really hate quoting myself, but here's how:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If A1 misses two FTs that would have tied the game with a minute left, it's a big deal but not insurmountable. If he misses those same game-tying FTs with 1 second left, overcoming becomes even more difficult. If he misses those same game-tying FTs with no time left, the error has now become insurmountable.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same applies to missed calls or kicked rules. If I wipe off a game-tying score with 60 seconds left; they can possibly recover. If I wipe it with no time left, they cannot. Whether the score got wiped due to a player's error (travel, PC foul, etc) or my error (bad call, poor rules knowledge) makes no difference WRT the ability of the team's ability to recover.

Finally, bob has already stated my position quite accurately:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Please.

If you have a choice (and you really don't), then you'd rather kick a call at the beginning of the game than at the end.

All missed calls affect the game. Those at the end affect the game more.

No one said (I don't think) that missed calls at the beginning don't affect the game.