Should I be upset?

[JRutledge]

First of all, not many people if any that commented on this post live here but me. That being said it is not as cut and dry as many think it is as it is up to each school to decide what they will do. Some will be fine and pay the entire fee, others will not. But unlike many here we can work where we want and when we want. I never have to take a game anywhere. So if I do not like their policy, I can work where ever I like. Just like there are some schools that will give the entire check if no one shows and other schools that will pay only part of the check. What you have to decide is what you are willing to do for that money. And nowhere in any contract is it explicit what should be done in these cases, which is why there is nothing wrong with asking what should be done. I am not surprised by the actions of this school, but it is not consistent with everyone. We are independent contractors, not slaves to what groups want.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

I'd say that you're lucky to be paid for the first game at all.

While a traffic jam might be out of your control, you can plan to leave early enough that you largely eliminate the probability of being materially impacted by it enough to matter.

I always target arriving at a gym 1 hour before game time. I plan for extra traffic on distant games (adding 10-20 minutes over what google says) such that if goes well, I might get there even 75 or more minutes before. If it is a new school in an unfamiliar area, I even add more time. I can drive very quickly, but planning shortcutting a trip time during rush hour to an unfamiliar area is just not a good idea.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all, not many people if any that commented on this post live here but me.

What does where you live have to do with this?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What does where you live have to do with this?

It has a lot to do with this. There are different policies for different places. As a matter of fact every school has a different view on what their officials are supposed in this state. Some might have a policy because the assignor is making some of these decisions, other it is an individual school district policy. This is no different than what would be the case if we talked about what to say to an assignor about a situation. All assignors do not have the same policies how to be notified of things or how they handle conflicts between coaches and officials or what is done in this situation. So it is good to know what others do, but not necessarily helpful in what is ultimately what should be done here. This is really the case when people say what should happen when they have no idea what schools around here do normally. I know officials in this very situation have paid the official the entire check. Now whether Stiffler is upset is another issue. And how he wants is up to him and the people that gave him the game. Personally I would probably let it go. But that is because it is not advantageous in the end to make a big deal out of it. But I have had a similar thing happen to me; only get all the money in almost every case. Some schools are just happy anyone made it as this might happen more than we want to admit because of who was scheduling the games. So yes, it does matter where this took place, not what everyone else here has to deal with in their area. Again, we are independent contractors for real in this state. We are ultimately responsible for how we run this business we call officiating.

Peace

[just another ref]

Where the OP happened is irrelevant, and where you live in relation to the OP matters even less, if that's possible. If stiffler, as an independent contractor, thinks he should be paid for work which was not performed, let's just say that is contrary to the norm in anything. No doubt some schools would give out the whole amount anyway, maybe even add a "Sorry you had a problem."
But if they choose not to do so, he has no possible complaint.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where the OP happened is irrelevant, and where you live in relation to the OP matters even less, if that's possible. If stiffler, as an independent contractor, thinks he should be paid for work which was not performed, let's just say that is contrary to the norm in anything. No doubt some schools would give out the whole amount anyway, maybe even add a "Sorry you had a problem."
But if they choose not to do so, he has no possible complaint.

Anyone can complain about anything they want to. I know I complained when I was "helping out" I did not like what took place with me. And there was no policy to say what should be done across the board. And when the situation reversed, I did not accommodate them at all when they made a mistake. It works both ways.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Anyone can complain about anything they want to. I know I complained when I was "helping out" I did not like what took place with me. And there was no policy to say what should be done across the board. And when the situation reversed, I did not accommodate them at all when they made a mistake. It works both ways.

Peace

That explains why where you live was important. Thanks.

[Eastshire]

I arrived late to a game this year because I misread my schedule and had the wrong start time. I was more embarrassed than I've ever been in my life. I tried to insist that I not be paid but the AD wouldn't hear of it.

If you are late for any reason within or outside of your control, you have not earned any money for the game. To even suggest otherwise demonstrates a shocking sense of entitlement. Despite this, some schools are generous and will pay you any way. Any pay in this situation is a gift you should be grateful for, not a slight.

[26 Year Gap]

Don't be a "Yabut". I have filled in for guys because I got there early. Don't expect anything for doing that. I care more about helping the association saving face. I have also stayed as a JV official and filled in when a varsity official got ill and couldn't fill in for the second half. The AD asked about the checks and I said I would do it for the experience. You were late and the AD probably would have preferred to have his gym teacher fill in for BOTH games and pay you NOTHING. You have been told this numerous times. You are NOT sparking conversation, you are not accepting what has been told to you. You were LUCKY to get paid ANYTHING for the first game.

The other guy I would be apologizing profusely to right about now is your assignor. I imagine he is not too thrilled about these developments.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What does where you live have to do with this?

That is a much overused argument that he uses when he has no other logical points to back up his argument.

To his credit, he has not busted that one out in a looonnnggg time. But - here it is again.

And it has nothing to do with the OP.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That is a much overused argument that he uses when he has no other logical points to back up his argument.

To his credit, he has not busted that one out in a looonnnggg time. But - here it is again.

And it has nothing to do with the OP.

The person and the game is in the same area I do. Yes it does matter. People from 3 states over have no idea what is expected here.

Peace

[Scuba_ref]

Yes you should be upset. You should be upset with yourself for being late for an avoidable reason (not leaving early enough) and for even assuming that you were wronged in all of this.

[Amesman]

Didn't want to confuse by starting another thread on somewhat similar topic.

How would you handle this 'non-working' scenario:

You're scheduled for two games and the visiting team in the second game doesn't show for at least 45 minutes, when you have to leave. What was originally supposed to be a triple-header was knocked down to a double-header months ago because one team pulled out of the middle game. The change went through the Arbiter and everyone knows about it, except the V team, apparently.

This is MS-age travel ball, by the way. I hang as long as I can but the have to leave to work HS ball. My partner said he would stay and work it, alone if necessary, when the other team arrived.

Who should get paid what?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Didn't want to confuse by starting another thread on somewhat similar topic.

How would you handle this 'non-working' scenario:

You're scheduled for two games and the visiting team in the second game doesn't show for at least 45 minutes, when you have to leave. What was originally supposed to be a triple-header was knocked down to a double-header months ago because one team pulled out of the middle game. The change went through the Arbiter and everyone knows about it, except the V team, apparently.

This is MS-age travel ball, by the way. I hang as long as I can but the have to leave to work HS ball. My partner said he would stay and work it, alone if necessary, when the other team arrived.

Who should get paid what?

I'm a little confused by your scenario. You're saying the second game was correct on Arbiter but the visitors didn't show? In that case, yes, I would hope to be paid. I held up my end of the deal. I wouldn't, however, force the issue.

The only time I've ever forced the issue on being paid was when a game got canceled at 10:00 AM (due to a bomb threat) and the AD didn't call me until 3:15 PM and left a message on my answering machine (I'd left for the game at 3:00). I got my money but never received another game at that school (not that I wanted one).

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The person and the game is in the same area I do. Yes it does matter. People from 3 states over have no idea what is expected here.

Peace

The question was whether the OP'er should be upset that he did not get paid for something that he did not do...

Makes no difference where you are from. The answer is no.