Free Throw Situation

[ARef]

Here is my issue with applying in the order in which the fouls occurred. Rule 4-20, art 2: The free throw begins when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower, and art 3: ends when ... the ball becomes dead. My reading of this is the free throw ends in this situation when I blow the T. Am I wrong?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ARef

Here is my issue with applying in the order in which the fouls occurred. Rule 4-20, art 2: The free throw begins when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower, and art 3: ends when ... the ball becomes dead. My reading of this is the free throw ends in this situation when I blow the T. Am I wrong?

The whistle would stop the play. A1 would then shoot his free throw(s) with the lane empty, followed by administration of the T.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ARef

Here is my issue with applying in the order in which the fouls occurred. Rule 4-20, art 2: The free throw begins when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower, and art 3: ends when ... the ball becomes dead. My reading of this is the free throw ends in this situation when I blow the T. Am I wrong?

The FT might end, but until it is taken or lost through a violation (not a foul), it remains due.

[ARef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The FT might end, but until it is taken or lost through a violation (not a foul), it remains due.

Do you have a caseplay for this?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ARef

Here is my issue with applying in the order in which the fouls occurred. Rule 4-20, art 2: The free throw begins when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower, and art 3: ends when ... the ball becomes dead. My reading of this is the free throw ends in this situation when I blow the T. Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by ARef

Do you have a caseplay for this?

Case 8.6.2 (2009-10 book) should do it. The first foul is a T with the second foul (flagrant in the case play, but irrelevant to the play at hand) occuring after the shooter has the ball. The ruling mentions taking the FTs for the T and then the FTs for the second foul.

Would you take away a FT if the team called a timeout after the shooter had the ball?

[ARef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Case 8.6.2 (2009-10 book) should do it. The first foul is a T with the second foul (flagrant in the case play, but irrelevant to the play at hand) occuring after the shooter has the ball. The ruling mentions taking the FTs for the T and then the FTs for the second foul.

Would you take away a FT if the team called a timeout after the shooter had the ball?

Great find. I think this is as close as the case book will get for us and I can get behind that process. As to ending his free throw for a timeout: No, I would not punish him and take away his shot, but he was also not being a jackass in that play like he was in the other

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ARef

Great find. I think this is as close as the case book will get for us and I can get behind that process. As to ending his free throw for a timeout: No, I would not punish him and take away his shot, but he was also not being a jackass in that play like he was in the other

Maybe, but there's nothing in the jackass rule that would allow you to treat the play any differently than a timeout request.

[ARef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but there's nothing in the jackass rule that would allow you to treat the play any differently than a timeout request.

Agreed. And try as I might to not let that impact my judgment, I know it probably does a little bit.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ARef

Here is my issue with applying in the order in which the fouls occurred. Rule 4-20, art 2: The free throw begins when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower, and art 3: ends when ... the ball becomes dead. My reading of this is the free throw ends in this situation when I blow the T. Am I wrong?

The free throw might have ended but Team A is still entitled to two shots. The only way they would lose one of those attempts is by committing a free throw violation or having a try miss.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The free throw might of ended but Team A is still entitled to two shots.

APG, imo you're better than this. C'mon man!

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

APG, imo you're better than this. C'mon man!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

APG, imo you're better than this. C'mon man!

Maybe he just does it to piss you off. That's a worthy cause.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Maybe he just does it to piss you off. That's a worthy cause.

Hm, sounds like crankypuss didn't get his hugs this morning.