Good block?

[just another ref]

Question for those who say this is not a foul:

If this same amount of contact occurred, (shooter knocked to the floor) would it be a foul if there was no block? Defender arrived late, shooter changed hands, or whatever?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question for those who say this is not a foul:

If this same amount of contact occurred, (shooter knocked to the floor) would it be a foul if there was no block? Defender arrived late, shooter changed hands, or whatever?

I dont see how this is comparing apples to apples. you have changed the basic nature of the play from start to finish and applying different standards you are alluding that the outcome or results would be the same.

[just another ref]

The player fell because he had a defender block his shot. Not necessarily because of contact afterward.

The force that made the shooter fall in my opinion had little to do with body contact created by the defender.

In the revised play, now we know it was because of contact afterward.

The initial contact is all ball up top. This doesn't absolve the defender of a foul (I would call one if I thought the defender solidly landed on top of the shooter, for example), but I'll let a bit more subsequent contact down below go when the block is that clean up top.

Now that there was no block,clean or otherwise, does that change things?

If the shot attempt is altered by the contact, if the player is put at a disadvantage in making the shot attempt, I'll call the foul.

The shot attempt was not altered, and there was no disadvantage in making the attempt, so this play can never be a foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Question for those who say this is not a foul:

If this same amount of contact occurred, (shooter knocked to the floor) would it be a foul if there was no block? Defender arrived late, shooter changed hands, or whatever?

I'd have to see that play to have a judgement on it. I just know that the play in question is not something my supervisors want a foul call on.