crowd rushes court

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

As long as the security personnel are properly trained & aware anything is possible as long as they plan ahead for any situation.



I was also curious as to why it's a trend in NCAA Athletics, yet rarely seen in HS & Pro Athletics.

If a stadium wants to rush the field/court, it WILL happen. It's a simple numbers game.

Also, rushing the court probably happens more often then you think at the high school level as Welpe pointed out. I have seen it happen a couple of times to games I've attended. Usually as a result of a last second shot. I think part of the reason fans don't rush the field/court for professional sports is..well it just isn't done. It's not really part of the tradition. High school and more so at the college level, it's been tradition to rush in certain situations. Other factors include the success of the school's program, rivalry game, championship game, etc.

And totally off topic (not that this thread is even on topic), why do you put your quoted text under your reply instead of replying under the quoted text? It makes your posts harder to read and is not in line with what everyone else does here.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If a stadium wants to rush the field/court, it WILL happen. It's a simple numbers game.



And totally off topic (not that this thread is even on topic), why do you put your quoted text under your reply instead of replying under the quoted text? It makes your posts harder to read and is not in line with what everyone else does here.

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

Concerning my replies with quoted text, after Bob asked me to post underneath I have been doing that as Bob has asked. In the situations where I post above the quoted text, is due to commenting on something outside the context of the quoted text.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

[grunewar]

So, you said:

Originally Posted by chseagle

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

And I asked how you would handle the situation - in an orderly way? Then you said:

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

So, after everyone rushes the court, you're going to write the assignor and let them know the rules were not followed?

Well, I guess you handled it!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

So, you said:



And I asked how you would handle the situation - in an orderly way? Then you said:



So, after everyone rushes the court, you're going to write the assignor and let them know the rules were not followed?

Well, I guess you handled it!

What else could of been done if game management was not properly prepared/thought ahead?

It's been stated on here several times the crowd is under the control of game management, NOT the officials.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't heaed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

The teams (or at least certain players) will find a way to shale hands after the game, even with the fans on the court.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't headed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

You left out "Why are you wasting my time with this sh!t?"

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't heaed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

The teams (or at least certain players) will find a way to shale hands after the game, even with the fans on the court.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You left out "Why are you wasting my time with this sh!t?"

Just explain in your letter that the fans rushed on before you had a chance to leave the court.

As in all instances I've seen the fans rush the court just as the final buzzer sounded, which gives no one a chance to get into the locker rooms/off the court.

[constable]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

Again, Officials don't care. Why write your assignor to complain about something that happens AFTER the game.

Also, while you may know the NHFS rule book, you haven't got a damn clue how to apply it.

Could you please migrate over to the scorer and timers forum?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What else could of been done if game management was not properly prepared/thought ahead?

It's been stated on here several times the crowd is under the control of game management, NOT the officials.

So why did you post this in an OFFICIAL'S FORUM in the first place? Are you starving for attention or what? Every time you post something on here it has either little or zero relevance to anything we do. I think you need validation and attention so you come here to get it by way of these silly, meaningless threads. If your BS wasn't so funny, I would have voted for a ban for you long ago.

For everyone else: I know the SEC had a conference rule (And I assume they still do) about fans rushing the court/field. The conference would fine the individual schools if their fans rushed the court after a game. I'm pretty sure Tennessee got fined for it a couple years ago and I'm sure others did as well.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

I'm hanging with you.

[Welpe]

I tell you, those competitive rec traveling elite 6U AAU games are nothing to mess around with.