crowd rushes court

[chseagle]

I was asking about the fans rushing due to the teams having the inability to do the "good game" line thanks to the fans wanting to congratulate the players for winning & wanting to taunt the losing team at the same time.

RookieDude has seen me at the table as both Shot Clock Operator & Timer/Scoreboard, so technically he's the only one that can truly pass judgement.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

"Listen, Sparky, you don't see me coming over here and telling you what kind of pencil to use...."

Would that be a No. 2 up the rear or through the eye?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was asking about the fans rushing due to the teams having the inability to do the "good game" line thanks to the fans wanting to congratulate the players for winning & wanting to taunt the losing team at the same time.

The "good game" line isn't required at the end of the game. I doubt the visiting team wants to participate if they lost the game in a fashion where the fans would be rushing the court.

You should ask yourself this, if this was unsporting, then why haven't you seen it called as such? Answer is because it isn't, and no official worth a grain of salt would call it as such. To do so would end any more relevant games he/she would receive.

[chseagle]

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

As long as the security personnel are properly trained & aware anything is possible as long as they plan ahead for any situation.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The "good game" line isn't required at the end of the game. I doubt the visiting team wants to participate if they lost the game in a fashion where the fans would be rushing the court.

You should ask yourself this, if this was unsporting, then why haven't you seen it called as such? Answer is because it isn't, and no official worth a grain of salt would call it as such. To do so would end any more relevant games he/she would receive.

I was also curious as to why it's a trend in NCAA Athletics, yet rarely seen in HS & Pro Athletics.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was also curious as to why it's a trend in NCAA Athletics, yet rarely seen in HS & Pro Athletics.

My school lost a playoff game at home when I was a senior. The visiting team drained a layup with seconds left to win the game after we had rallied earlier in the fourth quarter. All of their fans rushed the court while we stood around in disbelief.

It happens, probably more than you think.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

As long as the security personnel are properly trained & aware anything is possible as long as they plan ahead for any situation.



I was also curious as to why it's a trend in NCAA Athletics, yet rarely seen in HS & Pro Athletics.

If a stadium wants to rush the field/court, it WILL happen. It's a simple numbers game.

Also, rushing the court probably happens more often then you think at the high school level as Welpe pointed out. I have seen it happen a couple of times to games I've attended. Usually as a result of a last second shot. I think part of the reason fans don't rush the field/court for professional sports is..well it just isn't done. It's not really part of the tradition. High school and more so at the college level, it's been tradition to rush in certain situations. Other factors include the success of the school's program, rivalry game, championship game, etc.

And totally off topic (not that this thread is even on topic), why do you put your quoted text under your reply instead of replying under the quoted text? It makes your posts harder to read and is not in line with what everyone else does here.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If a stadium wants to rush the field/court, it WILL happen. It's a simple numbers game.



And totally off topic (not that this thread is even on topic), why do you put your quoted text under your reply instead of replying under the quoted text? It makes your posts harder to read and is not in line with what everyone else does here.

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

Concerning my replies with quoted text, after Bob asked me to post underneath I have been doing that as Bob has asked. In the situations where I post above the quoted text, is due to commenting on something outside the context of the quoted text.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

The point you're not getting is that it doesn't matter, unless you're willing to use force and bring sufficient numbers of personnel, you can't stop it. All you can do is threaten punishment later. It doesn't matter how well trained the security guards are; at some point all they can do is step back and take names (or take pictures).

The main difference is you're dealing with college students, who are notoriously eager to buck authority. Telling them not to rush the field/court is like telling my then-three-year-old son not to lock the basement door when his mom and sister are down there.

You're also dealing with a university/college with thousands of students (and allumni) rather than a high school with, at most, one thousand (most of whom will not be at the game). College students don't have their parents with them anymore, either at the game or at home ready to render punishment. Virtually every inhibiting factor present at a high school game is missing at a college game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The point you're not getting is that it doesn't matter, unless you're willing to use force and bring sufficient numbers of personnel, you can't stop it. All you can do is threaten punishment later. It doesn't matter how well trained the security guards are; at some point all they can do is step back and take names (or take pictures).

The main difference is you're dealing with college students, who are notoriously eager to buck authority. Telling them not to rush the field/court is like telling my then-three-year-old son not to lock the basement door when his mom and sister are down there.

You're also dealing with a university/college with thousands of students (and allumni) rather than a high school with, at most, one thousand (most of whom will not be at the game). College students don't have their parents with them anymore, either at the game or at home ready to render punishment. Virtually every inhibiting factor present at a high school game is missing at a college game.

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

You're killing me CHS.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You're killing me CHS.

Prey tell how am I doing that?

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

I don't know but I just don't see a lot of crowd control issues at a NCAA swim meet or gymnastics meet

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

It can be done most times. There are times it cannot be done. To think otherwise is a bit naive, IMO.

There's a reason some schools have changed to collapsible field goal posts.