crowd rushes court

[grunewar]

So, you said:

Originally Posted by chseagle

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

And I asked how you would handle the situation - in an orderly way? Then you said:

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

So, after everyone rushes the court, you're going to write the assignor and let them know the rules were not followed?

Well, I guess you handled it!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

So, you said:



And I asked how you would handle the situation - in an orderly way? Then you said:



So, after everyone rushes the court, you're going to write the assignor and let them know the rules were not followed?

Well, I guess you handled it!

What else could of been done if game management was not properly prepared/thought ahead?

It's been stated on here several times the crowd is under the control of game management, NOT the officials.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick.

And be orderly!

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

I'm hanging with you.

[Welpe]

I tell you, those competitive rec traveling elite 6U AAU games are nothing to mess around with.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't heaed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

The teams (or at least certain players) will find a way to shale hands after the game, even with the fans on the court.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't headed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

You left out "Why are you wasting my time with this sh!t?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

The point you're not getting is that it doesn't matter, unless you're willing to use force and bring sufficient numbers of personnel, you can't stop it. All you can do is threaten punishment later. It doesn't matter how well trained the security guards are; at some point all they can do is step back and take names (or take pictures).

The main difference is you're dealing with college students, who are notoriously eager to buck authority. Telling them not to rush the field/court is like telling my then-three-year-old son not to lock the basement door when his mom and sister are down there.

You're also dealing with a university/college with thousands of students (and allumni) rather than a high school with, at most, one thousand (most of whom will not be at the game). College students don't have their parents with them anymore, either at the game or at home ready to render punishment. Virtually every inhibiting factor present at a high school game is missing at a college game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The point you're not getting is that it doesn't matter, unless you're willing to use force and bring sufficient numbers of personnel, you can't stop it. All you can do is threaten punishment later. It doesn't matter how well trained the security guards are; at some point all they can do is step back and take names (or take pictures).

The main difference is you're dealing with college students, who are notoriously eager to buck authority. Telling them not to rush the field/court is like telling my then-three-year-old son not to lock the basement door when his mom and sister are down there.

You're also dealing with a university/college with thousands of students (and allumni) rather than a high school with, at most, one thousand (most of whom will not be at the game). College students don't have their parents with them anymore, either at the game or at home ready to render punishment. Virtually every inhibiting factor present at a high school game is missing at a college game.

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't heaed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

The teams (or at least certain players) will find a way to shale hands after the game, even with the fans on the court.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You left out "Why are you wasting my time with this sh!t?"

Just explain in your letter that the fans rushed on before you had a chance to leave the court.

As in all instances I've seen the fans rush the court just as the final buzzer sounded, which gives no one a chance to get into the locker rooms/off the court.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

You're killing me CHS.

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

I don't know but I just don't see a lot of crowd control issues at a NCAA swim meet or gymnastics meet

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

It can be done most times. There are times it cannot be done. To think otherwise is a bit naive, IMO.

There's a reason some schools have changed to collapsible field goal posts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Just explain in your letter that the fans rushed on before you had a chance to leave the court.

As in all instances I've seen the fans rush the court just as the final buzzer sounded, which gives no one a chance to get into the locker rooms/off the court.

I still don't see it, as my a$$ is facing them. I've got tunnel vision after the game is over.

[RobbyinTN]

I have officiated games where the crowd rushed the floor as soon as the final buzzer sounded and I had to work my way around them to get out of the gym. Never, I repeat, never have I ever considered giving a T for this. Maybe if it is the last game I ever want to officiate I might because around here if I did that it would be the last varsity game I ever was assigned to - I might get to do some elementary school games after that but never a varsity game again. Plus - I would be the example at the association meetings as to what NOT to do as a varsity official