Dealing with lower level coaches?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GFS-1

I've been officiating for 8 yrs now, still a rookie in my Assoc.
Why is it the lower level Coaches Freshman & JV scream and yell at the officials for calls or no calls. I sometimes stick around for the varsity game and the Coaches for the most part just calmly ask questions about calls. I feel the lower level coaches just want to win the game as most do, but keep there job to make that extra money coaching? Do you lower level officials see this as well? Hope everyone's season is going well. GFS-1

I think it was said the best earlier. The coaches at that level are still learning too. They just do not get what to do just like us as officials have to learn how to deal with them when we move up the latter. Usually these coaches figure it out a little more if they get to the varsity levels themselves because the veterans are not going to put up with their antics when they are at that level. This is why I tend to notice when the veteran official come down to work these games, their behavior is not accepted and Ts are more likely given. Younger official tend to not know to defuse many situations and you get powder kegs. And it must be noted that these games are often more difficult to officiate because the players are not as good or experienced and the coaches do not know how to coach through diversity as well and think yelling at the officials is the way to get what they want. And the fans are not as knowledgeable about the game either, so you hear more ignorant comments and the overall tone of the experience is different. This is just the way it is and try to watch veterans to learn some techniques and body language that works for you and maybe you will get a handle on some of these coaches better. But do not feel bad, even veterans I know cannot stand these coaches as was the case of a guy that I am very good friends with dealt with the other night and is a State Final official.

Peace

[Andy]

Besides what has already been mentioned, the other factor is that the newer and/or less experienced coaches at the Middle School, Fr, and JV levels have what they see on TV as their role models...they probably think that being like Bobby Knight is how a coach is supposed to act!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Andy

Besides what has already been mentioned, the other factor is that the newer and/or less experienced coaches at the Middle School, Fr, and JV levels have what they see on TV as their role models...they probably think that being like Bobby Knight is how a coach is supposed to act!

Some of the newer ones haven't seen coach Knight coach. My guess is they're modeling themselves after that one guy from Duke.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some of the newer ones haven't seen coach Knight coach. My guess is they're modeling themselves after that one guy from Duke.

I doubt there are too many people that do not know or have not seen Coach Knight at some point of their life if they are old enough to coach right now. It is not like it has been 10 years since his last game.

Peace

[Butterfly182310]

Out of control coaches and out of control parents have the same thing in common...experience, or the lack thereof. I've found young parents of younger players to be, in general, far more boisterous than the older parents of older players. Same for coaches. Most get it figured out after they've gotten a few years under their belts...but not all of them.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some of the newer ones haven't seen coach Knight coach. My guess is they're modeling themselves after that one guy from Duke.

Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Andy

Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

Explains a lot, don't it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Explains a lot, don't it?

Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not. Peace

This is true. And I found it to be among his more endearing qualities.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not.

It's true, it's true.....

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Andy

Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

I'm only guessing here, but how much of that has to do with fear?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Judtech

You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

I do not know about that. I think college coaches are more intelligent about what they complain about and often are stopped in their tracks by know knowledgeable officials. I have never had a college coach say the things to me that a high school coach says. And all the cursing I see high school coaches do and no one does anything I doubt that.

Also I not too long ago saw some tape of NBA officials interactions with NBA coaches and players, the language is much more direct from officials and do not allow a lot of the crap to go on that I see many high school and college officials get away.

Peace

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

Just for curiosity's sake, when I deal with college coaches I do tend to give them a little more rope as far as complaining. I somewhere picked up the philosophy that these guys are coaching as a job, to put food on their table, not an extra paycheck they are picking up like high school coaches. To me, the college and especially pro game is more about competition. High school athletics is an extension of the classroom where they learn skills to deal with situations that come up in life as an adult.

Any thoughts on this philosophy?

Oh, and my thoughts on technicals in the pro game... they found they were losing fans because of the unsporting attitudes of their players so they fixed it. That, to me, is the only reason they made the change. It's all about $ in the pros.