Scorebook

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Dbyb

After the game has started, home book tells the official (me) that there are two number 22s in the book for the visiting team. Visitors book looks the same. I ask to see the line up that the visiting coach submitted. The line up correctly states the team numbers 22 and 23. The visiting book says that she miscopied the lineup and mistakenly put two number 22s in the book. In other words the coach's line up was correct and the visiting book miscopied it. The home book carried the error through when it copied the visiting book. I did not assess a tech because the coach's line up that she submitted was correct. Was I correct in not assessing the tech?

Yes, you were. The coach fulfilled his/her obligation.

The table crew is part of the officiating crew. You don't penalize a team because a scorer made a mistake.

Did the referee not check the book prior to the game? I guess not or he would have caught this.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yes, you were. The coach fulfilled his/her obligation.

The table crew is part of the officiating crew. You don't penalize a team because a scorer made a mistake.

Did the referee not check the book prior to the game? I guess not or he would have caught this.

Sounds familar
I think chseagle was my timer tonight

[doubleringer]

I'm fine with the way you handled it. Next time make sure the R checks the book correctly before the game and you can stay out of this situation.

[Butterfly182310]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

...make sure the R checks the book correctly before the game...

What if you're over 50 and can only count the number of lines that have scribble in them? (You young guys will know what I'm talking about in 20 years or so).

[ThatOneRef]

Originally Posted by butterfly182310

what if you're over 50 and can only count the number of lines that have scribble in them? (you young guys will know what i'm talking about in 20 years or so).

+1

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

What if you're over 50 and can only count the number of lines that have scribble in them?

I've had a few partners over the years who were assigned as the referee but who gave me the referee duties (pregame, observe visitors, toss, etc.) for one reason, and one reason only, they can't see the book without their reading glasses.

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Did the referee not check the book prior to the game? I guess not or he would have caught this.

That was going to be my question - this should have been caught by the R and been a non issue during the game

[comical]

Keeping the book last night for a D-III doubleheader: women’s game, followed by the men’s game. I was keeping the official book. Had more mistakes than usual: failing to keep the running score correct in each game (was saved by the people keeping the book for the visitors and by our SID), giving a foul to #5 instead of #15 (must not have caught the number correctly from the reporting official) and just in general doing a lousy job.

However, this is what I wanted to get thoughts on if anyone has any: before the men’s game the referee comes over to check the numbers in the book. Several minutes later (well under the 10:00 mark) the visiting team’s scorer told me there had been a change in their starting lineup. I was told just as the national anthem was about to start. After the anthem, I informed the referee and we were discussing if the team had actually made a change or if I had made a mistake in marking the starters (I hadn’t in this case). The home team coach came over and asked what the problem was. When he heard what happened, he said to forget it, let’s play. We went with the change and the visitors weren’t charged with a technical, apparently in part because of the home team coach not making an issue of it (that’s just my impression. I don’t know that). Here’s my question: Should I have just kept my mouth shut? Maybe I caused problems by saying something. Was it appropriate to notify the referee of the change? Thanks in advance.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by comical

Here’s my question: Should I have just kept my mouth shut? Maybe I caused problems by saying something. Was it appropriate to notify the referee of the change? Thanks in advance.

It's you job to advise the referee of the change. What he does from there is up to him...and his evaluators.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by comical

giving a foul to #5 instead of #15 (must not have caught the number correctly from the reporting official)

Let me guess - the officials were reporting fouls like "one-five" and not "fifteen" and you only heard the second number.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Well handled! How many areas require the referee to initial the book below each teams last listed player as a method of checking for duplicate #'s and number of players? Just about every varsity official in my area does it. In my varsity games I prep the girls book myself the night before using maxpreps.com to get the other school's roster. The boys book is already prepared by an assistant coach (also using maxpreps.com) so it is already checked for duplicate #'s.In our league everybody has correct information on this site.

[tref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Well handled! How many areas require the referee to initial the book below each teams last listed player as a method of checking for duplicate #'s and number of players? Just about every varsity official in my area does it. In my varsity games I prep the girls book myself the night before using maxpreps.com to get the other school's roster. The boys book is already prepared by an assistant coach (also using maxpreps.com) so it is already checked for duplicate #'s.In our league everybody has correct information on this site.

Hmmmm What if grades come out the next day & someone not listed on maxpreps is eligible?
I thought you all were supossed to enter what was provided to you.

Had a game early in the season where the table hits the horn & they say #20 is not in the book. Home team is getting smashed & wanted a T. I ask the home bookkeeper to show me what they copied from. Its the roster that fanatics get upon entrance. I ask the visiting team what they provided. They say its the paper sitting on the table. No T, lets correct & move on. Home team is pissed & unfortunately didnt know the rule. Nobody asked them to copy from the roster printed by the home team...

[APG]

Originally Posted by tref

Hmmmm What if grades come out the next day & someone not listed on maxpreps is eligible?
I thought you all were supossed to enter what was provided to you.

That's not something we have to concern ourselves with. There isn't any violation of the rules to have too many names/numbers in the book.

[comical]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Let me guess - the officials were reporting fouls like "one-five" and not "fifteen" and you only heard the second number.

I think that's right, but even so everyone else at the table gave it to #15. Last night definitely wasn't one of my better nights at the table.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

That was going to be my question - this should have been caught by the R and been a non issue during the game

This is a situation of us taking the book for granted before the game. We need to take the extra 2 minutes to check the book the right way.