I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You know, if I was coaching, and I wanted my kids behind the shooter, I'd tell them to go there. I wouldn't be so beligerent, but you can be sure I'd force the issue.

Jud admitted his goal for the whole "3 point line" incident was to ice the shooter. Had really only about 10% to do with principles and 90% to do with disrupting the game and making the official look bad.

I was the first one to call him all his behavior. And I stand by my original opinion that he was just being a jerk. That doesn't mean he's a jerk all the time. But that night he was.

What I take a bigger exception to is that he feels the need to fight the HC's battles. If the HC has a problem with any of the situations that occurred let her deal with the officials. Seeing as he is married to the HC Jud should be doing a better job of teaching her the rules so that she recognizes what is going on and so she can ask the correct questions of the officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Jud admitted his goal for the whole "3 point line" incident was to ice the shooter. Had really only about 10% to do with principles and 90% to do with disrupting the game and making the official look bad.

We know at some point icing the shooter came to mind. Whether that was his initial intent is not mentioned.
My guess: he had a hunch the official had this rule wrong and would take the bait.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was the first one to call him all his behavior. And I stand by my original opinion that he was just being a jerk. That doesn't mean he's a jerk all the time. But that night he was.

I agree with this, and that's been my point. Telling a lie doesn't make a man a liar, and acting like a jerk during a game doesn't make him a jerk. Now, if he does this regularly, that's different. Then he's a jerk. But having read his posts for a while now (aside from this thread), I've had the distinct impression that this was a one-off night for him.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What I take a bigger exception to is that he feels the need to fight the HC's battles. If the HC has a problem with any of the situations that occurred let her deal with the officials. Seeing as he is married to the HC Jud should be doing a better job of teaching her the rules so that she recognizes what is going on and so she can ask the correct questions of the officials.

That's an issue for marital counseling, IMO.

I will say this, being an official, he should have known better. But I think he would agree with that. We all hope our better angels will come to our aid in situations like these, but it doesn't always happen.

[just another ref]

In discussions away from the game, over the years, I have advised coaches that it is not in their best interest to argue rules with an official. Chances are, the official knows the rule in question better than the coach, and if this is not the case, it is unlikely that the coach will change the official's mind at that point. I certainly would not be above asking in some cases: (proper tone, palms open) "Excuse me, Mr. Ref. Are you sure they're supposed to get 7 free throws plus the ball for this?" But the bottom line is, this is an argument you just about can't win. Kinda like arguing with a cop. He has a gun, you don't.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was the first one to call him all his behavior. And I stand by my original opinion that he was just being a jerk. That doesn't mean he's a jerk all the time. But that night he was.

Our actions are the best guide to our character.

I believe that officials should bear this fact in mind at all times.