Stopped the Game

[Jfpdi]

Had situation on Saturday. About 3 Mins remaining in a CYO game my partner blows the whistle and tells me we have a problem at the other end of the court. The roof started to leak and was dripping water near the lane line by the low block. He wanted to know what we should do. I told him that we would have to stop the game because a kid could get hurt. We informed the coaches that the game had to be stopped. The home coach who was leading 24 to 4 wanted to finish the game. I informed him that he could be liable but that my partner and I would not remain on the court as now that we were aware of a dangerous situation we would not continue the game unless it could be corrected. I am sure he had the kids best interests at heart. (Not!) The parish coordinator finally arrived at the gym, we explained the situation to her and she agreed that the game was over.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

The home coach who was leading 24 to 4 wanted to finish the game.

If the wet section of the gym was on his frontcourt side, you could have told him you would finish the game on the other (dry) half of the gym only and all points scored by either team would count for the team whose frontcourt you were in.

Or - you could have done what I would have done with that jerk - smacked him upside the head with a frying pan (I carry one in my bag).

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I had a varsity doubleheader last season postponed due to the host school (not mine) having the same issue!

[BillyMac]

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

We use this tool once a year in football.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

Maybe so, but I generally like the way it was handled....the rules do allow the periods to be shortened by an agreement between the coaches and the Referee. They just don't permit the extra time to be added to a later period. Technically, the only legal manner to have done something similar would be to declare 1st half over (with all in agreement) and start the 2nd half normally.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Had situation on Saturday. About 3 Mins remaining in a CYO game my partner blows the whistle and tells me we have a problem at the other end of the court. The roof started to leak and was dripping water near the lane line by the low block. He wanted to know what we should do. I told him that we would have to stop the game because a kid could get hurt. We informed the coaches that the game had to be stopped. The home coach who was leading 24 to 4 wanted to finish the game. I informed him that he could be liable but that my partner and I would not remain on the court as now that we were aware of a dangerous situation we would not continue the game unless it could be corrected. I am sure he had the kids best interests at heart. (Not!) The parish coordinator finally arrived at the gym, we explained the situation to her and she agreed that the game was over.

What type of chemicals do they use to wax gym floors that make coaches go brain dead in this types of situations?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maybe so, but I generally like the way it was handled....the rules do allow the periods to be shortened by an agreement between the coaches and the Referee. They just don't permit the extra time to be added to a later period. Technically, the only legal manner to have done something similar would be to declare 1st half over (with all in agreement) and start the 2nd half normally.

One could interpret at-the-time that the shortening of the periods was meant for each quarter to be reduced by the same amount, and therefore use 2-3 to add the 37s to the 2nd half.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

I'd do it differently, myself. We'd take the halftime break there, come back and play the remaining :37 on the clock. Then I'd give them a minute and then start the second half.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

Better, imo:

Take "half time" now.

Then, play the remaining :37 seconds on the first half (start with POI and use the horn, and the last second shot, etc.). Then "immediately" start the second half with a throw-in to the team having the arrow.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd do it differently, myself. We'd take the halftime break there, come back and play the remaining :37 on the clock. Then I'd give them a minute and then start the second half.

I just really don't see the point in not finishing out the half. The was a varsity HS game. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go over real well at the state association office.

This time, it was 37 seconds. How much time is allowable the next time it happens? 1 minute? 5 minutes? Makes no sense to me.

[Adam]

I really don't see the point of doing anything beyond normal in Billy's situation? Did it take an hour to get the kid off the court or something?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I really don't see the point of doing anything beyond normal in Billy's situation? Did it take an hour to get the kid off the court or something?

Not to speak for Billy but I'm sure this is why is chose to do what he did:

..Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not to speak for Billy but I'm sure this is why is chose to do what he did:

Didn't catch the nuance there. In that case (assuming the coach needs to leave the court to tend to the player), I'd probably go with Camron's suggestion. End the first half there with approval of both coaches.