Technical Foul or Ejection...what would you do?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

would you have acted differently if the player had said "that call was a f_*cking piece of $h!t"?

Say goodnight, Gracie.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

I guess I'd have to say that if the player threatens another player, official, or myself, THEN I would toss 'em with a flagrant tech.....

would you have acted differently if the player had said "that call was a f_*cking piece of $h!t"?

It's still an ejection, and a 2 game susepnsion, here.

You simply can't allow a player to disrespect you in this fashion. It's uncalled for whether on the court, in the classroom and in society in general. Allow a player to get away with it without an ejection and you've just told him he can say anything he wants to.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

would you have acted differently if the player had said "that call was a f_*cking piece of $h!t"?

No. Buh-bye.

[jeffpea]

at least most of you are consistent...you would toss 'em either way.

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

Thick skin has nothing to do with it. I am not personally offended by something that a player, coach or fan says to me. I don't react emotionally when a player or coach calls me something. I will, however, penalize what I deem to be unsporting, vulgar or disrespectful.

Calling an official a "piece of sh%^" crosses two lines at the same time, personal and profane.

Your second example is just plain vulgar.

I'm not going to tolerate either in my games. Showing the officials that much disrespect should never be considered de rigeur.

Out of curiosity, how do you equate issuing a flagrant T with "getting emotional"?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

at least most of you are consistent...you would toss 'em either way.

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

College maybe different, although I doubt very many D1 officials would let this go. Either way, in HS, no matter how much college I call, he's gone.

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

The comments would draw a T. Add the profanity and that gets the ejection.

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

I didn't read where anyone said emotions had to do anything with it. The fact is, a teacher wouldn't allow a student to disrespect him in such a way and remain in the classroom. I don't see this as being any different.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

at least most of you are consistent...you would toss 'em either way.

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

I can (and have) ejected people (mainly from baseball games) with not a single bit of emotion. I've called 2 technical fouls this season and neither of them involved any emotion (that's not always the case, but more and more as I get older and wiser).

A college player isn't calling me (or a call) an f-ing piece of sh!t the same as a HS player isn't. Emotion has nothing to do with it. There's a line and that comment obliterates that line.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

at least most of you are consistent...you would toss 'em either way.

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

So calling an official a "piece of sh1t" is a simple T in college? Scrappy, are you listening? Is that what you'd do?

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For calling you a piece of sh!t?

I'm not one who finds a huge problem with the word sh!t (see the other thread), but when someone calls me a name like that, they're not sticking around.

what would you have done if he called you terrible? I dought you would have tossed him for that.....hmmmm maybe sh*t does have some offensive sides to it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

what would you have done if he called you terrible? I dought you would have tossed him for that.....hmmmm maybe sh*t does have some offensive sides to it?

It depends on the meaning. Rich's point is that a self-directed utterance like that can go ignored. An intended insult to the official, not so much. I'm still figuring what I'd do if a player called me a "Piece of crap."

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm still figuring what I'd do if a player called me a "Piece of crap."

Would it make a difference if he said "a BIG piece of crap"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Would it make a difference if he said "a BIG piece of crap"?

In that case, he'd be right.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

what would you have done if he called you terrible? I dought you would have tossed him for that.....hmmmm maybe sh*t does have some offensive sides to it?

Nice try.

"You're a piece of garbage" would be a flagrant technical, too.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Nice try.

"You're a piece of garbage" would be a flagrant technical, too.

Wow!! You can spell "garbage" on here without worrying about it being deleted? It's a good thing I don't offend easily!!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So calling an official a "piece of sh1t" is a simple T in college? Scrappy, are you listening? Is that what you'd do?

In HS, this is a no-brainer flagrant T for me. In college, it's probably around 95% probability of being a flagrant. There's always a small possibility that there's some context, maybe there's been some joking back-and-forth that makes it less offensive. But that's got to be a pretty small likelihood. I can't imagine that there are too many D1 refs who tolerate being called that by an 18-year-old; so why should I tolerate it from my D3 guys?