"count the basket"

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Well, to me it's a biological function and not a profanity.

I don't think there's any question that "sh*t" is profanity. Otherwise, we wouldn't put symbols in place of letters.

I also believe in some leeway for adult rec, but if the league says to enforce it, do it. If you're looking for a reason to hold the whistle, case 10.4.1 E says to do just that until after the shot, and even though that case mentions the head coach or bench personnel, I think the same would apply to players, too.

BTW, in my second year, I had a T for that word in the first minute of a seventh-grade boys game. I'm the L, and during a rebound, I clearly hear "SH*T!" I blast my whistle and raise my first, only to realize I don't know which one said it! My partner confirmed the young potty-mouth, and the table exchange went something like this:

Me: "Red, 12, technical foul, profanity."
Coach: "What did he say?"
Me: "Well, I can't repeat it."
Coach (points to 12): "HEY! WHAT'D YOU SAY?!"
12: (unintelligible whining)
Coach: "Aw, sit down! You're killing me."

[Adam]

You can walk up to the coach and repeat it quietly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't think there's any question that "sh*t" is profanity. Otherwise, we wouldn't put symbols in place of letters.

I do it because there's a filter in place here. No other reason. That doesn't mean that it's globally recognized as a profanity. I can't abbreviate assistant coach as ***. coach here either and that's not a profanity, certainly.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I can't abbreviate assistant coach as ***. coach here either and that's not a profanity, certainly.

Speak for yourself. I consider 'assistant coach' as profanity, abbreviated or not!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rsl

Speak for yourself. I consider 'assistant coach' as profanity, abbreviated or not!

Especially if he a smart ***istant.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I do it because there's a filter in place here. No other reason.

Okay, why do you suppose that word is filtered?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, why do you suppose that word is filtered?

It's filtered here because the site owners decided to be safe.

Rich's point is that the word itself isn't considered profanity by everyone. Standards everywhere are different, and they don't always follow the FCC (which does not regulate basic cable, it regulates broadcast television).

Then again, I'm sure there are quite a few young adults who really don't understand the difference between basic cable and broadcast TV.

[bigdog5142]

I do believe that the rules state in 10-2 Section 3, Art 6, b that a player shall not:

"Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts
or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official or gesturing in such a
manner as to indicate resentment.
b. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
c. Baiting or taunting an opponent."

I know that I don't call a T when a player says it about his own play, nor do I when it's inaudible to everyone else. However, I do warn as I can. If it's loud enough for the gym to hear, it's a T whether directed at me or not.

[Adam]

The rules say nothing about the volume, do they?

Nor do they define "profane or inappropriate language." That standard is going to be different based on where you officiate.

[bigdog5142]

Well, no...they don't. However, I think it's pretty naive to explain profanity away...we all know what is and isn't profanity.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Rich's point is that the word itself isn't considered profanity by everyone.

I don't think there's any question that word is established as profanity. You could make that case for about a dozen words, but that ain't one of them.

If you want to say that word isn't offensive, then that's up to you. I'm not particularly offended by the word -- it would be hypocritical for me to say that I were -- but there are times and places where that word is verboten. Kids' organized basketball game certainly applies.

Society decides what's profanity; individuals decide what's offensive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Society decides what's profanity; individuals decide what's offensive.

Agreed, and there are things I find offensive which don't get penalized in my games; just as there are things I personally don't find offensive but do. But "society's" decision is different in different areas. What's profane to someone in rural Iowa could be vastly different than what's profane in suburban Chicago. And yes, even the word at issue will get you different results in different areas.

Around here, it's an easy T; but I wouldn't be surprised to find there are areas where that's not the case.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't think there's any question that word is established as profanity.

I don't necessarily agree that the word is verboten nor do I think of it as profanity. To me it's no different than "crap". That word is by far and away much less offensive than a lot of words commonly coming from kids mouths these days.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't think there's any question that "sh*t" is profanity. Otherwise, we wouldn't put symbols in place of letters.

I also believe in some leeway for adult rec, but if the league says to enforce it, do it. If you're looking for a reason to hold the whistle, case 10.4.1 E says to do just that until after the shot, and even though that case mentions the head coach or bench personnel, I think the same would apply to players, too.

BTW, in my second year, I had a T for that word in the first minute of a seventh-grade boys game. I'm the L, and during a rebound, I clearly hear "SH*T!" I blast my whistle and raise my first, only to realize I don't know which one said it! My partner confirmed the young potty-mouth, and the table exchange went something like this:

Me: "Red, 12, technical foul, profanity."
Coach: "What did he say?"
Me: "Well, I can't repeat it."
Coach (points to 12): "HEY! WHAT'D YOU SAY?!"
12: (unintelligible whining)
Coach: "Aw, sit down! You're killing me."

You can't repeat it quietly to an adult coach? You really think you can't?

[chymechowder]

Maybe the game was being televised on local public access (cable) before 9pm. And that's why he coulnd't repeat it.