Warranted T?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

He's saying the coaches do not rate him well. There is a reason for that. Officials that are "unapproachable" never prosper, and that label is easy to get and hard to shake, fair or not. The #1 reason officials have moved down the ladder or been dropped from my rosters over the past 15 years is coaches feedback that they are unapproachable, and that is universally true at every level until you are an established D-1 official. Sometimes, coaches need to be dealt with bluntly, given technicals, and even be ejected, but when that happens, it is how we do that which makes the difference. Being approachable and professional in all we do matters. Cutting off a coach like that is generally not a great idea. This is a people business.

I'm glad coaches have ZERO input into our high school evaluations.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm glad coaches have ZERO input into our high school evaluations.

Not directly, but rest assured they have indirect input, particularly for post-season.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Not directly, but rest assured they have indirect input, particularly for post-season.

How do you have any idea how such things operate here in the Old Dominion?
I think you are improperly projecting from the Commonwealth of PA into the Commonwealth of VA. Do you reach that far in your games?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Not directly, but rest assured they have indirect input, particularly for post-season.

Not even remotely in my area.....none at all.....zip, nada......

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Not directly, but rest assured they have indirect input, particularly for post-season.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not even remotely in my area.....none at all.....zip, nada......

Same here. There is a absolutely no evaluation tool available for high school coaches for whom we officiate (I was going to say service but I know where that would have led ). Of coures come play-off time the assignor may take into account some personality differences in making assignments, but after the 1st round even that has to go out the window.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Same here. There is a absolutely no evaluation tool available for high school coaches for whom we officiate (I was going to say service but I know where that would have led ). Of coures come play-off time the assignor may take into account some personality differences in making assignments, but after the 1st round even that has to go out the window.

Not so here. Coaches have to rate (Not really evaluate) every official in every varsity contest, no exceptions. They can be banned from postseason play if they don't rate their officials. These ratings factor into postseason assignments (sectionals/quarterfinals/championships). For district play, all officials that want to work in the postseason basically just sign up. The host schools all hold a "draft" to pick their officials for their district. I'm not sure how much input the coach of each team gets though.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Same here. There is a absolutely no evaluation tool available for high school coaches for whom we officiate (I was going to say service but I know where that would have led ). Of coures come play-off time the assignor may take into account some personality differences in making assignments, but after the 1st round even that has to go out the window.

Here's a typical...and true... story on that, Newz......

The convenor of one high school league we service ( ) asked me if their coaches could have input as to whom I assigned in their playoffs. I said "sure, get your coaches together and give me a list of people that you all agree you'd like to see." Note the key word was "agree". Well, I'm still waiting. And I knew I would be. The coaches couldn't agree on a list because of their individual likes, dislikes and biases. They all want that special official that will give them what they consider to be a fair share of the calls, which means that every close call has to go their way. One coach had a certain official rated #1; another coach didn't even have that official on his list. And they're all afraid that they'll get somebody who they didn't want but the other coaches did. That was the last I heard of that one.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm glad coaches have ZERO input into our high school evaluations.

Same here. ZERO input on our assignments.

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Not directly, but rest assured they have indirect input, particularly for post-season.

With all due respect, bull$hit. You have no way of knowing how assignments, whether regular season or post season, are handled everywhere.

I can tell you for sure that they have no input whatsoever here. The assignor books conference tourneys and Sectionals before teams are even seeded. He also selects Regional and State crews and submits them to the state association. Further, local crews only work the first two rounds of the playoffs. Teams see crews from neutral associations for the last 4 rounds.

So while they may have input where you live, that doesn't mean it works that way everywhere.