Worst luck ever

[Adam]

No, I don't wish we would get paid, because that pay would come with some strings.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by representing

DAMN EXPECTED SNOWSTORM BETTER SHOW UP!

I hate it when this happens (actually, when it doesn't happen).

[RobbyinTN]

I had two games Monday night canceled and two games last night canceled - both due to weather and both paying more than you are complaining about. If the snow doesn't melt I will lose two more tomorrow night. It happens. I don't like it because I enjoy calling ball but it isn't like I can do anything about it so I let it go.

Robby

[representing]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

I had two games Monday night canceled and two games last night canceled - both due to weather and both paying more than you are complaining about. If the snow doesn't melt I will lose two more tomorrow night. It happens. I don't like it because I enjoy calling ball but it isn't like I can do anything about it so I let it go.

Robby

OK, I'm going to try this one more time. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION...

I am NOT complaining about the game I lost due to the weather. I am complaining about the two games I lost due to one team of both games canceling out due to not enough players (injuries, educational suspensions, etc). Schools should be held accountable for non-weather situations causing a cancellation in games. That is all I am saying.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by representing

OK, I'm going to try this one more time. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION...

I am NOT complaining about the game I lost due to the weather. I am complaining about the two games I lost due to one team of both games canceling out due to not enough players (injuries, educational suspensions, etc). Schools should be held accountable for non-weather situations causing a cancellation in games. That is all I am saying.

Why?

Again, the *contract* or *agreement* in place defines what your rights are. Sometimes it's not wise to try to assert those rights.

Those schools *want* to play. They have kids that won't play now, concessions that won't be sold, etc. etc. If they don't have enough players, they don't have enough players. If they have a track record of cancelling late, then don't accept games from them.

Last season, one of my regular schools in football asked me to take a lot of subvarsity dates. The previous season we lost 4 or 5 games (usually JV) when teams decided they had too many injuries and didn't want to play the games -- these were always the visiting teams playing this school. I consider it their right to cancel those games, but like I told the AD, I consider it my right to schedule games that I actually think will go on as scheduled. I took some from him, passed on others (because the visiting schools were repeat offenders). The one thing I hadn't thought about that he communicated to me was *his* frustration in schools cancelling like this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

OK, I'm going to try this one more time. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION...

I am NOT complaining about the game I lost due to the weather. I am complaining about the two games I lost due to one team of both games canceling out due to not enough players (injuries, educational suspensions, etc). Schools should be held accountable for non-weather situations causing a cancellation in games. That is all I am saying.

And we're saying you're wrong. I've lost games due to non-weather cancellations. It happens all the time around here when a school loses players for various issues (sickness, suspension, transfers, disinterest). Your proposal would mean schools with borderline numbers would simply decide to cancel their seasons before they started, just in case they lost a few players along the way. Why risk having to pay officials for games that might get cancelled if you lose two players off your team?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by representing

OK, I'm going to try this one more time. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION...

I am NOT complaining about the game I lost due to the weather. I am complaining about the two games I lost due to one team of both games canceling out due to not enough players (injuries, educational suspensions, etc). Schools should be held accountable for non-weather situations causing a cancellation in games. That is all I am saying.

Don't worry. I'm sure that once the school hears about your complaint, you won't ever have to worry about them cancelling a game on you again.

[RobbyinTN]

I am not trying to tell the OP what his/her motivation should be for officiating - I just don't think that you should be all upset because a game got canceled in advance of your arrival. Had he arrived and no game I think he should be paid but to get a cancelation prior to game day isn't, IMHO, something to get all worked up over.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by representing

This is about $200 I missed out on in 5 days. I really do have the worst luck ever. And the worst part is the two JV games won't be made up because the Varsity games played on, and the FR/JV doubleheader was postponed to a day I'm already officiating.

You really are a rookie, aren't you?

It has nothing to do with luck. We all have games that are cancelled.

You make up for it when you get a call for a fill-in.

Anyone else feel like we should still be compensated at least half of the referee fee for games cancelled due to reasons other than weather or other major problems like electricity went out, flooding in school because of a plumbing problem, etc.? This really pisses me off that I missed out on $200 in 5 days.

No, absolutely not.

If you leave home on your way to a game and they cancel, yes, you should receive half fee.

If you arrive at the school and they have to cancel after you arrive, you should receive half game fee.

If you arrive at the school and find they cancelled but didn't call you, you should be paid the full fee.

If you start the game and it has to be cancelled, you should be paid the full fee.

But if they cancel and inform you properly, you're entitled to zero compensation.

But cancellations are never made up and the school would gain that money.

Dude, it's their money.

Besides that, they lose money too. Gate and concessions.

You really need to let it go. It's gonna happen, to all of us.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If you arrive at the school and they have to cancel after you arrive, you should receive half game fee.

This is a full game fee in my world. If this was a half fee, baseball teams would let the umpires show up and then cancel, shrug, and pay us $30.

[BktBallRef]

The items I listed are NCHSAA policy.

If we show up for a football game, take the fieldm and then a breaker blows on the electrical panel that controls the stadium lights, we get half fee. If we've kicked off, we get full fee.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

This is a full game fee in my world. If this was a half fee, baseball teams would let the umpires show up and then cancel, shrug, and pay us $30.

Why would they do this? Why would they schedule you, just to let you show up, not play and pay you $30?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The items I listed are NCHSAA policy.

If we show up for a football game, take the fieldm and then a breaker blows on the electrical panel that controls the stadium lights, we get half fee. If we've kicked off, we get full fee.



Why would they do this? Why would they schedule you, just to let you show up, not play and pay you $30?

ADs who don't want to make a decision. Even now, when we get a full fee, we've arrived knowing conditions aren't going to let us play.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

ADs who don't want to make a decision. Even now, when we get a full fee, we've arrived knowing conditions aren't going to let us play.

Well, that's just stupid. If I know we aren't going to play, I'm sure gonna call and cancel so I don't have to pay you.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by representing

This is about $200 I missed out on in 5 days. I really do have the worst luck ever.

If you think losing $200 is the worst luck ever, you've led a pretty sheltered and painfree life. (Maybe becasue your you're very, very young)

I wish the worst loss I had over something was just $200.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by camron rust

if you think losing $200 is the worst luck ever, you've led a pretty sheltered and painfree life. (maybe becasue your you're very, very young)

i wish the worst loss i had over something was just $200.

amen!!!!