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Foul Off Ball During Shot
From an earlier thread, the respected Daryl H. Long wrote "The tricky part is if the foul occurs before ball is in flight on tap or try....A1 jumps to shoot. B2 fouls A2. Because of continuation rule it does not matter if ball has been relesed or not. A1 is allowed to continue the try and the goal will be counted if successful. Play will then resume with either a throw in by A at spot nearest B2's foul or by free throws (1 and 1 or 2)."
But....I am reading from from NCAA rule Book (old copy 2003) PLAY: A1 is in possesion of ball and in the act of shooting when A2 is fouled by B2. RULING: Assess B1 with the foul committed against A2. A1's try shall count when successful. Administer the bonus free throw or award ball to Team A at designated spot... Question: If shot is good, does A2 shoot ONE bonus free throw? Thanks! |
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Thanks for the input, AllPurposeGamer! But did I quote the rule book incorrectly? It says , "Administer the bonus free throw" ...singular....one free throw. What am I missing here?
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You have quoted the case book play correctly. I am not sure why it says that.
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This play should have happened in the Notre Dame vs Georgetown tonight. The officials ruled 'no shot'. The player was just starting the 'Act of shooting' when the whistle for the foul sounded. In real time you could not tell if the player had started the shooting motion. But they replayed the foul/shot. When it was in slow motion you could see that he was starting the motion to shoot. The amazing part is that the announcers had the correct interp of the continuation rule.
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You are reading correctly. Few people actually understand the real meaning of this terminology. The 2nd FT is actually the "bonus". It is awarded as a "bonus" for making the first. At 10 fouls, we're actually in the automatic bonus, not double bonus. The rule you cited is talking about bonus free throw situation...one where a player may earn the extra shot.
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So the original interpretation I quoted says to, "Assess B1 with the foul committed against A2. A1's try shall count when successful. Administer the bonus free throw or award ball to Team A at designated spot" ... but and I know this is strictly speaking here... one cannot award a "bonus free throw" because that is defined as the second free throw... as defined above. Let me ask it this way: If the second free throw is the "bonus"....what the heck is the first one called? |
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Right, and Thank You, Sir! So the original interpretation should read "Assess B1 with the foul committed against A2. A1's try shall count when successful. Administer the (bonus) free throw or award ball to Team A at designated spot""
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You administer a bonus free throw only if: 1) the first free throw is successful after a team is charged with their seventh, eight and ninth fouls 2) a team has committed 10 fouls |
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If it's 1 & 1, you administer a second bonus FT if the first is successful. If they're in the double bonus, you administer a second bonus FT wheter the first is successful or not.
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Tha's all right, Junior has to officiate with him next Tuesday not me. LOL MTD, Sr.
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