A Rare Free Throw Violation

[RobbyinTN]

uh....10 seconds....what am I missing that you all seem to see

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

What am I missing that you all seem to see

Hint: I've been playing, coaching, and officiating basketball for over forty years, including thirty years officiating, and this is the first time I've ever seen the violation called. That's a lot of basketball games without seeing this particular violation called.

[RobbyinTN]

I agree - as I said I have never seen it called nor called it myself but the question I have is I was asked at what point in the count was I going to call the violation since I had reached 9 in the count. I am try to figure out what I am missing about this rule then?

99% of the time most shooters shoot the ball before I get to 5

But if we give them 15 seconds to shoot that means that we are making our own rules up for the game. I am a slow counter so by the time I get to 10 it is probably closer to 12 or 13 seconds. I am not looking for violations to call but if you aren't going to call this one, why not give them 15 seconds to get the ball across the division line, or 15 seconds to get it inbounded, etc.

[BillyMac]

"I know it when I see it, and the violation involved in this case is not that."

I've got up to twelve a couple of times. I honestly don't know how high I would count before I called a vilolation. I do have a limit. I just don't know what it is. Hopefully I'll know it when I get there. I just hope that I never get there.

[DLH17]

I use a slow count, as well. And, my count ends when the player begins his/her habitual shooting motion, as opposed to on the release.

edit: "shooting motion" can be tricky for at least one reason. Sometimes, the pending FT try will be made by a player that's yet to shoot a FT yet. So, how in the heck do I really know what their 'shooting motion' looks like? Hence, I just stop counting when they raise the ball after dribbling/spinning routine. right or wrong, I've never blown for this violation.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by billymac

hint: I've been playing, coaching, and officiating basketball for over forty years, including thirty years officiating, and this is the first time i've ever seen the violation called. That's a lot of basketball games without seeing this particular violation called.

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

uh....10 seconds....what am I missing that you all seem to see

This is the one timing violation that's typically not called at 10 seconds exactly.
1. I have a very slow count on FTs.
2. I have a very slow count on FTs.
3. If I get to 10 and the shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
4. If I get to 11 and shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
5. I have a very slow count on FTs. (I've never gone past 8)
6. If I've gotten to 15 and the shooter is just standing there, I'll think about blowing the whistle.

Seriously, I like the call in the video, as Howard is just standing there; not even close to shooting when the whistle blows.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is the one timing violation that's typically not called at 10 seconds exactly.
1. I have a very slow count on FTs.
2. I have a very slow count on FTs.
3. If I get to 10 and the shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
4. If I get to 11 and shooter is about to shoot, I'm not blowing.
5. I have a very slow count on FTs. (I've never gone past 8)
6. If I've gotten to 15 and the shooter is just standing there, I'll think about blowing the whistle.

Seriously, I like the call in the video, as Howard is just standing there; not even close to shooting when the whistle blows.

Agreed on all accounts.

Apparently the NBA League office had warned Howard and the Magic that he was taking too long on free throws and that officials had been instructed to call it. In the video Howard already had the ball at :02 and the violation is called at :16 and he does not appear to even being close to starting his shooting motion.

In over 15 years of playing, coaching, and officiating, and watching MANY, MANY games I had NEVER seen this called until working an AAU game this summer. My partner called it and I didnt even see it because I was tying my shoe. He said the kid stepped away from the line with the ball. I was laughing saying I had never seen that actually called and that I was glad he was taking his time so that I could get myself together. It seemed kind of quick but neither the coach or player really said anything.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Agreed on all accounts.

Apparently the NBA League office had warned Howard and the Magic that he was taking too long on free throws and that officials had been instructed to call it. In the video Howard already had the ball at :02 and the violation is called at :16 and he does not appear to even being close to starting his shooting motion.

In over 15 years of playing, coaching, and officiating, and watching MANY, MANY games I had NEVER seen this called until working an AAU game this summer. My partner called it and I didnt even see it because I was tying my shoe. He said the kid stepped away from the line with the ball. I was laughing saying I had never seen that actually called and that I was glad he was taking his time so that I could get myself together. It seemed kind of quick but neither the coach or player really said anything.

THERE'S the problem. Kids are so used to having us wait until they tie their shoes, that in this case, the kid was waiting for you to tie YOURS.