False double, false multiple, double TF, bench personnel TF.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It doesn't have to be a fight to warrant issuing flagrant technical fouls. The rule (10-4-5) also says that it's a flagrant "T" if they leave the confines of a bench when a fight might break out. That fits in with this particular situation imo.

Agreed that flagrants can be issued for other reasons - however, some states would have different penalties beyond the game in question based on whether the flagrant was under a "fighting" provision or not. I've never really had the discussion of what "when a fight may break out" really is.

Personally, a kid leaving a bench to come onto the court to talk trash to a player is likely getting a flagrant T for unsportsmanlike conduct from me regardless.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Agreed that flagrants can be issued for other reasons - however, some states would have different penalties beyond the game in question based on whether the flagrant was under a "fighting" provision or not. I've never really had the discussion of what "when a fight may break out" really is.

Personally, a kid leaving a bench to come onto the court to talk trash to a player is likely getting a flagrant T for unsportsmanlike conduct from me regardless.

There's no difference by rule as to whether a player tossed for leaving the bench was tossed because there was a fight going on or because there might have been a fight occur. Same-same. The states would have to consider them the exact same also because they're the same rule.

As to the meaning of "when a fight may break out", when they put the rule in the 2004-05 rulebook, they told us verbatim:
PLAYER(S) EJECTED FOR LEAVING BENCH IF FIGHT MAY OCCUR:
A bench player will now be ejected if he or she leaves the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may be break out. Previously there was no coverage in the rules book when bench personnel left the bench when two or more players confronted one another but no fight occurred. These volatile situations can easily degenerate into a fight or worse by the presence of team members from the bench. The penalty is now the same as for leaving the bench during a fight.

That makes it a complete no-brainer. If 2 or more players confront each other, you apply this rule. It doesn't have to be an actual fight. The player that left the bench gets a flagrant "T" under NFHS rule 10-4-5.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's no difference by rule as to whether a player tossed for leaving the bench was tossed because there was a fight going on or because there might have been a fight occur. Same-same. The states would have to consider them the exact same also because they're the same rule.

As to the meaning of "when a fight may break out", when they put the rule in the 2004-05 rulebook, they told us verbatim:
PLAYER(S) EJECTED FOR LEAVING BENCH IF FIGHT MAY OCCUR:
A bench player will now be ejected if he or she leaves the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may be break out. Previously there was no coverage in the rules book when bench personnel left the bench when two or more players confronted one another but no fight occurred. These volatile situations can easily degenerate into a fight or worse by the presence of team members from the bench. The penalty is now the same as for leaving the bench during a fight.

That makes it a complete no-brainer. If 2 or more players confront each other, you apply this rule. It doesn't have to be an actual fight. The player that left the bench gets a flagrant "T" under NFHS rule 10-4-5.

Thanks for that. And, just to clarify, I agree states would treat "fight" and "might be a fight" the same. They may not treat a flagrant foul that isn't related to a fight the same. That's what I was asking.

But, after reading your citation, I agree there's little way you could look at this as anything other than "might be a fight."

Gracias.