Interrupted dribble

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No as per NFHS rule 9-5-3. It's a fumble touched or touched by another player...no matter how much over-thinking you might want to inject into it.

Whatever it was, it definitely was not a fumble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Whatever it was, it definitely was not a fumble.

So you're saying that an interrupted dribble that hits a defender's foot doesn't grant the previous dribbler a new dribble, but a fumble that hits such a foot does?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So you're saying that an interrupted dribble that hits a defender's foot doesn't grant the previous dribbler a new dribble, but a fumble that hits such a foot does?

I didn't say that, I asked the question. If an interrupted dribble is touched by an opponent, does that end the dribble? I see no rule which says it does.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If an interrupted dribble is touched by an opponent, does that end the dribble? I see no rule which says it does.

NFHS 9-5: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Whatever it was, it definitely was not a fumble.

Who cares?

Read case book play 4.15.4SitE. That says the defensive touch ended the dribble. In that case, what difference does it make what type of dribble it ended... a regular ol' dribble or an interrupted dribble?

Rules rulz!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 4.15.4SitE.

4.15.4 SITUATION E: While A1 is dribbling in A’s backcourt, the ball legally
touches B1’s leg, causing it to bounce away from A1. A1 quickly recovers the ball
with two hands and then starts another dribble. RULING: Legal. The touch by B1
ended the original dribble and A1 could then recover and dribble again. However,
the touch by B1 did not end team control and the 10-second backcourt count
continues. (9-5-2)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Who cares?

Read case book play 4.15.4SitE. That says the defensive touch ended the dribble. In that case, what difference does it make what type of dribble it ended... a regular ol' dribble or an interrupted dribble?

Rules rulz!

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4.15.4 SITUATION E: While A1 is dribbling in A’s backcourt, the ball legally
touches B1’s leg, causing it to bounce away from A1. A1 quickly recovers the ball
with two hands and then starts another dribble. RULING: Legal. The touch by B1
ended the original dribble and A1 could then recover and dribble again. However,
the touch by B1 did not end team control and the 10-second backcourt count
continues. (9-5-2)

4-15-4d: The dribble ends when the ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to lose control.

In my play, the touch did not cause the loss of control. This rule has already been rewritten once recently, seemingly as a result of discussion here. Perhaps another editorial revision will be forthcoming.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4-15-4d: The dribble ends when the ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to lose control.

In my play, the touch did not cause the loss of control. This rule has already been rewritten once recently, seemingly as a result of discussion here. Perhaps another editorial revision will be forthcoming.

I'm basing my decision on the fact they revised the portion of the rule already. I can't imagine they want this treated differently than a fumble where the same thing happens.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm basing my decision on the fact they revised the portion of the rule already. I can't imagine they want this treated differently than a fumble where the same thing happens.

I tend to agree.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Whatever it was, it definitely was not a fumble.

The player had control and then lost it without any intervening cause. If that's not a fumble, what is? What's your definition of a fumble?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If that's not a fumble, what is?

This:

http://www.youtube.com/v/CzUHvg6QbaU...s=1&autoplay=1

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The player had control and then lost it without any intervening cause. If that's not a fumble, what is? What's your definition of a fumble?

You can't fumble a dribble.