Coach was an official

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He was very well behaved throughout the game. He'd just make slight comments about missed calls & he was actually kinda mentoring.

Here's the thing. I do not want a coach mentoring me during the game. Period. He's not my coach, he's not my mentor. Making slight comments and trying to mentor me is going to cost him the coaching box if he doesn't stop when I tell him to do so.

And for him to "mentor" in a public way after making comments to everyone who can hear him that he was an official for 10 years is not reasonable behavior.

The coach I mentioned previously doesn't make "slight comments about missed calls," either. He'll ask the occasional question; but I've never seen him so much as flinch at the answer.

[chseagle]

IOW He'd ask why the call was missed & make suggestions as to positioning, so the call won't be missed next time or comment to his team about the missed call & what needs to be done differently to make sure that call doesn't happen.

For crowd numbers we only had about 30 people watching in the stands.

Snaq, I do see where you're coming from concerning the conduct though.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's the thing. I do not want a coach mentoring me during the game. Period. He's not my coach, he's not my mentor. Making slight comments and trying to mentor me is going to cost him the coaching box if he doesn't stop when I tell him to do so.

And for him to "mentor" in a public way after making comments to everyone who can hear him that he was an official for 10 years is not reasonable behavior.

The coach I mentioned previously doesn't make "slight comments about missed calls," either. He'll ask the occasional question; but I've never seen him so much as flinch at the answer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

IOW He'd ask why the call was missed & make suggestions as to positioning, so the call won't be missed next time or

Not to me he wouldn't. Not acceptable. Nor would I allow him to do it to a rookie partner.

Originally Posted by chseagle

comment to his team about the missed call & what needs to be done differently to make sure that call doesn't happen.

He'd need to tread lightly. What I hear there is a coach trying to talk to the refs through his players. I will not be coached while I'm on the court. He's working the officials, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by chseagle

For crowd numbers we only had about 30 people watching in the stands.

Snaq, I do see where you're coming from concerning the conduct though.

The number of fans isn't relevant. He's condescending to the officials, and that's not appropriate.

Just because these officials accepted it doesn't mean anything either.

[26 Year Gap]

Which is worse? A timer with a rule book? Or a coach who was never an official?

[chseagle]

I just had the rule book with me as a reference or in case had a problem with a fan or coach.

Same thing with the printouts I have with me.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Which is worse? A timer with a rule book? Or a coach who was never an official?

[chseagle]

Must of been really thick-skinned.

Like I stated in another thread, the crew for the game was 2-person, so one of the officials also worked the V 3-person crew, as only 4 officials showed up for 3 games.

Before V game started he alerted his partners about the C-Squad coach & did not hear any of the comments like I did during the C-Squad game.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Just because these officials accepted it doesn't mean anything either.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

IOW He'd ask why the call was missed & make suggestions as to positioning, so the call won't be missed next time or comment to his team about the missed call & what needs to be done differently to make sure that call doesn't happen.

There is no way a coach is going to be making suggestions to me as to positioning. If the coach wants to be an evaluator/mentor, then he needs to join the local association and do just that. I'm sure the coach doesn't want me to be giving him suggestions as to coaching strategies, so I don't want him to try the same with me and officiating.

[rockyroad]

A little bit different spin on this topic...I drove about 2 hours to a small town last night to watch my HS son play. When I get there, I am the only parent/fan from our school who made the drive - long drive, raining like crazy, etc., etc. So our scorekeeper didn't show up. Coach asks me if I will do the book for him and I agree and move over to the table. The 3 officials walk in and I know two of them from camps where I have been a clinician.

In the second quarter, we have a correctable error - my sons' team should have shot bonus on 7th foul, both the home book and I signaled one-and-one with our hands and then started yelling at them - they put the ball in play, and then have to hit whistles because the horn is blowing and we are yelling...anyway, they get together and talk for a bit, and then walk over to the table and ask me what they are supposed to do!

I first tell them they shouldn't be asking me, but they say they really don't know what to do and need my help...so I tell them it's not too late to correct and they should line them up and shoot the bonus and play on from there. So they start to do that and home coach gets really agitated and wants to know why they are listening to some scorekeeper...

All ends up fine, but sometimes it pays to have an extra official around.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

A little bit different spin on this topic...I drove about 2 hours to a small town last night to watch my HS son play. When I get there, I am the only parent/fan from our school who made the drive - long drive, raining like crazy, etc., etc. So our scorekeeper didn't show up. Coach asks me if I will do the book for him and I agree and move over to the table. The 3 officials walk in and I know two of them from camps where I have been a clinician.

In the second quarter, we have a correctable error - my sons' team should have shot bonus on 7th foul, both the home book and I signaled one-and-one with our hands and then started yelling at them - they put the ball in play, and then have to hit whistles because the horn is blowing and we are yelling...anyway, they get together and talk for a bit, and then walk over to the table and ask me what they are supposed to do!

I first tell them I am no chseagle, but they say they really don't know what to do and need my help...so I tell them it's not too late to correct and they should line them up and shoot the bonus and play on from there. So they start to do that and home coach gets really agitated and wants to know why they are listening to some scorekeeper...

All ends up fine, but sometimes it pays to have an extra official around.

All fixed nice and shiny like.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

All fixed nice and shiny like.

ROFL...thanks.

Love the Serenity reference!