Coach was an official

[chseagle]

Has this Tuesday night: The V C-Squad coach stated that before he became a coach he was an official for 10 years.

During the game, his team only had 5 fouls compared to the home team having 15 fouls.

Which is better: a coach that was an official or an official that was a coach?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Which is better: a coach that was an official or an official that was a coach?

The answer depends solely on the individual.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Has this Tuesday night: The V C-Squad coach stated that before he became a coach he was an official for 10 years.

During the game, his team only had 5 fouls compared to the home team having 15 fouls.

Which is better: a coach that was an official or an official that was a coach?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The answer depends solely on the individual.

The most accurate answer thus far, from my perspective. As my board name suggests, I have done both.

I find that many referees make bad coaches as they frequently know the rules, but not the Xs and Os. They tend to focus more on US in those cases because they know reffing better than the Xs and Os. But, there are exceptions that know the the Xs and Os very well. In those cases, they don't have much time for US.

I think that coaches tend to make good referees because they can relate to the challenges the coaches face. At the same time, sometimes, coaches-turned-referees tend to worry too much about the type of offense or defense a team is running (and why) and fail to focus on off-the-ball responsibilities (most coaches "ball watch" as coaches and many tend to continue that habit when starting to referee).

Bottom line is, JR is right. It really just depends on the individual -- and, to some extent their experience level in each.

[Judtech]

MARK - I'll bring the $$$!!

As someone who resembles this remark, I think I can speak on it with some real life experience.
For starters, I don't tell the officials that I AM an official. Some/most of them know me, and if they don't, I am not sure how much it matters. Of course, if there is a 'bad' call my wife is in the annoying habit of informing the unknowning officials that I am one. (I ask her to stop, but you can't tell women ANYTHING!)
IMO, most coaches who also officiate forget that once they are on the bench they are no longer an unbiased observer. I realize that I have a bias on the bench and act accordingly. IF there is a rules issue or something, I will inform the Head Coach. I will give my wife "language of art" to use if she is talking to officials to be 'heard'. And if she asks my opinion on a call I will give it to her. (Usually, I say it was a good call) What I don't do is yell at officials, mentor them or anything. I will make jokes with them and even compliment calls that may have gone against us if I am friends with them. (ie. How can you expect us to win if you keep making good calls like that)
Most official/coaches I run into during the summer. I don't know if it is the weather or what, but they are the ones who give the most grief. I actually tossed a coach who I later found out was a big wig D1 men's official during an AAU Tournament. I had another one tell me it is a good thing my supervisor isn't here to watch this game b/c I would not be working, to which I responded it is a good thing (Insert Name of Observer) isn't here to see how you act as a coach! didn't hear much from them after that.
The bottom line IMO, is that these people feel that since they theoretically have a concept of the rules, their criticism should count more then a "regular" coach. But again, once you sit on the bench you lose your unbias view of the contest.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by chseagle

has this tuesday night: The v c-squad coach stated that before he became a coach he was an official for 10 years.

Who did he state this to? You? The officials?

During the game, his team only had 5 fouls compared to the home team having 15 fouls.

Not sure why that's relevant.

Which is better: A coach that was an official or an official that was a coach?

I can see both situations having positive and negative outcomes.

nt

[just another ref]

Which is worse, a timer without a taser or a question which has no answer?

[Adam]

Maybe we need a poll.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe we need a poll.

Maybe we need a pole - with a hot mom dancer on it.

[chseagle]

Just like in the movie BaseKETball.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Maybe we need a pole - with a hot mom dancer on it.

[chseagle]

He stated it to basically everyone within earshot (officials, H coach, table, both teams) before the C-Squad game.

He actually kept everyone in check as well when on the bench for the Varsity game as well.

The team we were playing against are basically the cross-town rivals & that was the most well behaved I've seen them. Not many fouls at all were called against them.

[Adam]

Typically, a coach who makes his officiating history known is really just informing us he's going to be a problem. I cringe every time I hear a coach say it.

We have a varsity official in our association who happens to coach a girls C-squad team, but if you didn't already know him, you'd never know he is an official when working his games.

[chseagle]

He was very well behaved throughout the game. He'd just make slight comments about missed calls & he was actually kinda mentoring.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Typically, a coach who makes his officiating history known is really just informing us he's going to be a problem. I cringe every time I hear a coach say it.

We have a varsity official in our association who happens to coach a girls C-squad team, but if you didn't already know him, you'd never know he is an official when working his games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He was very well behaved throughout the game. He'd just make slight comments about missed calls & he was actually kinda mentoring.

Here's the thing. I do not want a coach mentoring me during the game. Period. He's not my coach, he's not my mentor. Making slight comments and trying to mentor me is going to cost him the coaching box if he doesn't stop when I tell him to do so.

And for him to "mentor" in a public way after making comments to everyone who can hear him that he was an official for 10 years is not reasonable behavior.

The coach I mentioned previously doesn't make "slight comments about missed calls," either. He'll ask the occasional question; but I've never seen him so much as flinch at the answer.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He'd just make slight comments about missed calls & he was actually kinda mentoring.

Now that's funny! ROFLMAO

[JRutledge]

Just because you were an official for 10 years does not mean that you were a very good official. Just because you were a coach before you became an official does not mean you were a good coach. Being an official is about knowing rules and applying them in a very specific manner and being professional. Coaching is about Xs and Os and knowing how to draw them up and think of the fly. I am sure those skills would help, but that does not mean you are very good at what you came from. I would only really have respect for a coach if they did similar things or achieved more than I did as an official. If they had not done that, I would not put much stock in their experience.

Peace