End of game timing issue

[26 Year Gap]

The key element is definite knowledge. As others have said, keeping a count gives you that definite knowledge. When I notice the clock is not moving and I am the trail official in the backcourt, I will verbalize "Clock! Clock!" while continuing my count as I near the table. Once I see the clock tick down [and this should be in the periphrery--you should not discontinue watching players], I know how much time has elapsed and it can be adjusted at the next dead ball. I will defer to others as to blowing the whistle if it is near the end of the game and the score is tight. I don't want to be that guy that blows the whistle for game over when the clock reads 0:05.3.

The table guy was using the seat of his pants and that just isn't good enough.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by zm1283

. . . I wouldn't let the time arbitrarily put up however much time he wanted.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

. . . The table guy was using the seat of his pants and that just isn't good enough.

I agree with both of these statments. Particularly as they pertain to the OP.

But if the "table guy" (Timer) can tell you that he definitely knew there was 16 seconds left when he started (erroneously) the clock, that would qualify as definite knowledge. The timer is part of our crew and it is good enough for me.

I am not disagreeing with anything said here. I am only saying that the timer and scorer and the other officials can be used by the referee to gain definite knowledge. Just didn't want this thread to lead anyone to believe that the timer could not help.

[just another ref]

Perhaps I didn't make this clear. The timer maintained that he stopped the clock on the first whistle he heard. But he knew that this occurred significantly after the ball was put back in play. It was my impression that my partner granted the timeout waaaaaaaaaaaay late. He was unable to supply any knowledge about the time when he recognized and/or signalled the timeout.

So, this leaves us with.....

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So, this leaves us with.....

A mess!

In this scenario there isn't any calculating of time to do since the home team could not have called a TO once the 5 count started.

If no one knows, no one knows! You don't have definite knowledge and the time on the clock is all you have. IMHO