UCLA vs. KU game

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Judge for yourselves....

http://http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/

I can't, firewall only allows videos from YouTube and it's not on there. So pretend it's a non-media game and you are describing the play to your supervisor.

[Seddy]

UCLA hits a 3 to tie the game with 4 seconds to go. KU inbounds quickly, gets it across half-court, one of the Morris twins attempts to go up for a jumper but is cleanly stripped, which leads to a loose ball. KU's Mario Little and UCLA's Malcolm Lee both pursue. Both players have a hand on the ball with Lee's momentum creating contact with Morris.

[JRutledge]

Looks like a foul to me. If the UCLA player was under control then you would not put anyone in a situation to be called for a foul. If that is a foul in the first minute of the game, it is a foul in the last minute of the game.

Peace

[fullor30]

Watched it 5-6 times, first impression, no foul. After 3-4 time it's obvious defender moves hip into KU player. Would I have made that call? probably not, that's why I'm doing HS varsity games and this guy is on the big stage, he has the guts to make the right call. It's a foul at the 7 minute mark of the game and at .07 seconds of the game. Trust me Seddy, he's not looking to grab a call.

How much did you drop on the game? C-note? A dime? Chase a couple of NBA games to get even over the weekend.

By the way, We all have the same crummy view of the play. Three guesses who was right where he should be and had the best view.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Seddy

UCLA hits a 3 to tie the game with 4 seconds to go. KU inbounds quickly, gets it across half-court, one of the Morris twins attempts to go up for a jumper but is cleanly stripped, which leads to a loose ball. KU's Mario Little and UCLA's Malcolm Lee both pursue. Both players have a hand on the ball with Lee's momentum creating contact with Morris.

Sounds like a foul on Lee...

Just because they both have a hand on the loose ball does not mean that one of them gets to knock the other one down.

If the contact had been created by the KU player, and the officials had NOT called it, Howland would be whining about the no-call, and Seddy would be posting on here about how bad the officials were for swallowing their whistles when it mattered.

Sigh...fanboy season has officially arrived.

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Sounds like a foul on Lee...

Just because they both have a hand on the loose ball does not mean that one of them gets to knock the other one down.

If the contact had been created by the KU player, and the officials had NOT called it, Howland would be whining about the no-call, and Seddy would be posting on here about how bad the officials were for swallowing their whistles when it mattered.

Sigh...fanboy season has officially arrived.

I'm interested to know what this "fanboy" term is all about?

And BTW, neither the KU or UCLA player was knocked down on the play.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm interested to know what this "fanboy" term is all about?

It's a term that describes people who set an account up to talk about a specific play, typically involving a judgement call, many times slanted towards a team vs. the rule, only to never to be heard from again.

Are you that guy? Time will tell.

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by Larks

It's a term that describes people who set an account up to talk about a specific play, typically involving a judgement call, many times slanted towards a team vs. the rule, only to never to be heard from again.

Are you that guy? Time will tell.

Trust me, I'm not that guy. I'm far from a UCLA fan trolling on here looking for sympathy. Just a fan of college basketball and watching top-notch college officials do their jobs. I'm a 7th year HS official who uses this forum from time to time as a resource. Are you going to see me ever have 1,000 posts? Probably not! But I enjoy the sport. I enjoy the art of officiating. And I enjoy the intricacies of how the two intertwine.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Trust me, I'm not that guy. I'm far from a UCLA fan trolling on here looking for sympathy. Just a fan of college basketball and watching top-notch college officials do their jobs. I'm a 7th year HS official who uses this forum from time to time as a resource. Are you going to see me ever have 1,000 posts? Probably not! But I enjoy the sport. I enjoy the art of officiating. And I enjoy the intricacies of how the two intertwine.

It's not the number of your posts that matters; it's the quality.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Seddy

Trust me, I'm not that guy. I'm far from a UCLA fan trolling on here looking for sympathy. Just a fan of college basketball and watching top-notch college officials do their jobs. I'm a 7th year HS official who uses this forum from time to time as a resource. Are you going to see me ever have 1,000 posts? Probably not! But I enjoy the sport. I enjoy the art of officiating. And I enjoy the intricacies of how the two intertwine.

Seddy from Missouri + not liking a "ticky tacky call" at that point in the game + game won by Missouri's arch and hated rival = fanboy.

(full disclosure - I grew up in Kansas and am a KU fan.)[

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Seddy

I'm interested to know what this "fanboy" term is all about?

From Wikipedia: Fan Boy

Fanboy/fangirl

Fanboy is a term used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby within a given field. Fanboy-ism is often prevalent in a field of products, brands or universe of characters where very few competitors (or enemies in fiction, such as comics) exist. An example is the market for CPUs for PCs, where AMD and Intel together hold a market share of 99.6% (as of Q1 2009). In this market, users of home computers realistically only have a choice between two brands, and hence, a fight over which is better easily ensues. In this field, an "Intel fanboy" prefers CPUs made by Intel, and might aggressively defend their supposed superiority compared to the other brand(s), be skeptical or in denial about negative reviews of the product, and exert a high level of brand loyalty. The same brand war ensues when comparing video card brands Nvidia and ATI, which together dominate the video card market.

The term originated in comic book circles, to describe someone who was socially insecure and used comics as a shield from interaction, hence the disparaging connotations. Fanboys are often experts on minor details regarding their hobbies, such as continuity in fictional universes, and they take these details extremely seriously. The term has also been applied to criticize perceived fan elitism. The term itself is often used in a derogatory manner by less serious fans of the same material. Nevertheless, self-labeling usages of the term have been noted; in the songs of the fannish parody musician Luke Ski, many characters proudly consider themselves fanboys.

The term is usually used by and applied to people in their teens or 20s; an age group which is typically found pursuing geeky hobbies obsessively. Within this group, common objects of deference for fanboys are TV shows, movies, anime, cars, video game consoles, video games, music, operating systems, trains, home computers (in earlier decades), MMORPGs, ISPs, software and computer hardware companies.

Peace

[APG]

For those that can't view it from ESPN.

[Seddy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

For those that can't view it from ESPN.

Sue me for thinking that this play is a nice teaching moment and is worthy of discussion....

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Seddy

And BTW, neither the KU or UCLA player was knocked down on the play.

You must be talking about a different play than the rest of us then, as the KU player clearly gets knocked down and ends up sliding on the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You must be talking about a different play than the rest of us then, as the KU player clearly gets knocked down and ends up sliding on the court.

I was about to say that. No way you should let a defender (no matter how long he'd been a defender) hip check a shooter to the floor (even an off-balance shooter) on this play.
The idea that you shouldn't call this because a no-call sends it into overtime is just stupid.
Thinking it's probably a foul but wanting to no-call it because you'll get less grief is just cowardly.